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Who said anything about Hillary? Is the fact that Russia has and will continue to interfere with elections in American and around the world not troubling to you

by paulgb 9y ago

Who said anything about Hillary? Is the fact that Russia has and will continue to interfere with elections in American and around the world not troubling to you, regardless of party?

freejulian 9y ago
Do you have any evidence that the Russians interfered with the election? Any examples of these Facebook ads that convinced millions to vote for Trump?
- mlazos 9y ago
  Just because a quantity is hard to measure doesn’t mean it’s zero. Zuck admitted that hundreds of millions of people saw ads purchased by Russian operatives. To say that has zero effect on all of them just because we can’t precisely measure the effect is wrong. To change the outcome of the election you don’t need millions, just a few hundred thousand. I’m not saying it changed the outcome, I’m saying it’s at least plausible with these numbers.
  - freejulian 9y ago
    Who purchased these ads? The Russian government? A Russian company? A Russian individual? I'm asking for hard evidence, that's all. Please show me some.
    - mlazos 9y ago
      For the above conclusion (ie that it's plausible the election was affected) It doesn't matter exactly who did, especially when you can tell their motives by simply looking at some of the ads. I did a cursory glance at a google search for Russian ads and came up with these examples. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-socialmedia/u-s-lawmakers-release-sample-of-russian-bought-facebook-ads-idUSKBN1D15GU https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-socialme... https://gizmodo.com/here-are-14-russian-ads-that-ran-on-facebook-during-the-1820052443 https://gizmodo.com/here-are-14-russian-ads-that-ran-on-face... and all of the ads are clearly aimed at sowing discord on wedge issues. To say you need to know exactly who did this in order to make the conclusion that they were at the very least trying to propagate disinformation is ridiculously absolutist.
- nscalf 9y ago
  Well, I found the Russian in the thread.
- paulgb 9y ago
  Facebook themselves have admitted millions of people saw content traced back to the Kremlin-connected Internet Research Agency. > Any examples of these Facebook ads that convinced millions to vote for Trump? I never said there was.
  - freejulian 9y ago
    > Facebook themselves have admitted millions of people saw content traced back to the Kremlin-connected Internet Research Agency. Ok, what actual hard evidence is there? Who actually purchased the ads in question? Can we see the ads they purchased? How much did they spend?

by paulgb 9y ago

Who said anything about Hillary? Is the fact that Russia has and will continue to interfere with elections in American and around the world not troubling to you, regardless of party?

freejulian 9y ago

Do you have any evidence that the Russians interfered with the election? Any examples of these Facebook ads that convinced millions to vote for Trump?

mlazos 9y ago
Just because a quantity is hard to measure doesn’t mean it’s zero. Zuck admitted that hundreds of millions of people saw ads purchased by Russian operatives. To say that has zero effect on all of them just because we can’t precisely measure the effect is wrong. To change the outcome of the election you don’t need millions, just a few hundred thousand. I’m not saying it changed the outcome, I’m saying it’s at least plausible with these numbers.
- freejulian 9y ago
  Who purchased these ads? The Russian government? A Russian company? A Russian individual? I'm asking for hard evidence, that's all. Please show me some.
  - mlazos 9y ago
    For the above conclusion (ie that it's plausible the election was affected) It doesn't matter exactly who did, especially when you can tell their motives by simply looking at some of the ads. I did a cursory glance at a google search for Russian ads and came up with these examples. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-socialmedia/u-s-lawmakers-release-sample-of-russian-bought-facebook-ads-idUSKBN1D15GU https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-socialme... https://gizmodo.com/here-are-14-russian-ads-that-ran-on-facebook-during-the-1820052443 https://gizmodo.com/here-are-14-russian-ads-that-ran-on-face... and all of the ads are clearly aimed at sowing discord on wedge issues. To say you need to know exactly who did this in order to make the conclusion that they were at the very least trying to propagate disinformation is ridiculously absolutist.
nscalf 9y ago
Well, I found the Russian in the thread.
paulgb 9y ago
Facebook themselves have admitted millions of people saw content traced back to the Kremlin-connected Internet Research Agency. > Any examples of these Facebook ads that convinced millions to vote for Trump? I never said there was.
- freejulian 9y ago
  > Facebook themselves have admitted millions of people saw content traced back to the Kremlin-connected Internet Research Agency. Ok, what actual hard evidence is there? Who actually purchased the ads in question? Can we see the ads they purchased? How much did they spend?