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My dog has a anti-barking collar that will beep on one bark, then do a small zap on subsequent barks. After 30 seconds, it resets. She quickly learned (half b

My dog has a anti-barking collar that will beep on one bark, then do a small zap on subsequent barks. After 30 seconds, it resets. She quickly learned (half border collie) that she can bark once with no ill effects. She then learned that after a while she can bark again. It is uncanny how she often gets close to 30 seconds, and almost never goes under. The times I have timed it she's been 35-45 seconds, which is a lot more precise than I would have expected. She seems to be more accurate when she paces during the interval, so I've always wondered if she's "counting" her steps.

hyperion2010 9y ago
This is a very well understood phenomenon and is probably not implemented by counting [0, 1]. 0. http://www2.oberlin.edu/faculty/psimen/Site_2/Interval_timing.html http://www2.oberlin.edu/faculty/psimen/Site_2/Interval_timin... 1. https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&as_vis=1&q=interval+timing&btnG= https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&as_vis...
yesenadam 9y ago
You give your dog electric shocks??
- cm2012 9y ago
  These things are usually quite mild, especially for a dog with thick fur, and they only have to get shocked a few times before they learn. A bark collar is a great alternative to noisy dogs staying in shelters their whole lives.
  - yesenadam 9y ago
    So maybe use them on people then? Sounds like a great alternative to a life of prison. But seriously, why wouldn't you, if you think it's good doing it to dogs? edit: (can't reply yet) I was going to ask if you'd do it to your children. I guess you're joking. Maybe people do that, I've no idea, I hadn't heard of giving pets electric shocks. But I don't see a huge difference between doing that to dogs and to people, maybe you do.
    - pixl97 9y ago
      I still haven't got approval on my shock collar for children, but I guess you're right, I should pivot and pitch it for law enforcement uses.
    - mulmen 9y ago
      Tasers exist and deliver much more of a jolt than a dog collar, even controlling for size.
      - yesenadam 9y ago
        True, I didn't think of tasers. I think the idea of giving your own loved ones (human or animal) shocks is a different thing though...isn't it? Downvoters to my previous comment, could you explain why? thanks.
        mulmen 9y ago
        I see where you're coming from but there's a communication barrier between you and a dog that doesn't exist with children. That's without getting in to the rights of humans vs animals on which rational people can disagree. Most people probably wouldn't lock their kids in a kennel either but apparently that doesn't bother dogs at all.
    - markdown 9y ago
      > I was going to ask if you'd do it to your children. Disciplining children when they do something undesirable has been done since we were swinging around in trees and probably before then. The punishment method has varied from belts, to paddles, to canes, to time-outs. The pinch of an electric shock would work but isn't necessary since we can communicate with children. BTW, did you know that electric shock has been used on bed-wetting kids since the 60's?
      - yesenadam 9y ago
        No I didn't! Does it work? Now I'm ashamed I immediately asked that. "Would you want it used on you?" sounds like a better question, applying to the taser and dog examples also. I'd answer no, maybe others would say yes.
- tr0ut 9y ago
  Bark collars also have the benefit of calming a dog down. By preventing a dog from getting into a barking frenzy.
  - efsavage 9y ago
    As a herding breed, she feels the need to control situations, often circling other dogs or children or taking away toys she deems dangerous (e.g. sticks, squirt guns). When the collar is on she immediately relaxes because she has effectively been relieved of duty.
- efsavage 9y ago
  Generally speaking, no. She learned very quickly how it works and knows that when the collar is on, she shouldn't bark (more than once). She only wears the collars in situations where barking is not helpful. She is free to bark at intruders and when she's playing with other dogs.
Florin_Andrei 9y ago
There is a way you can "count" steps without actual counting - if you're humming a tune or thinking of a poem with rhyme and rhythm. Maybe dogs could "bark" in their heads for similar purposes.
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pymai 9y ago
i would imagine its possible to get a feel of what 30 seconds is without having to count a certain series of numbers. being shocked would probably force you to figure it out a lot quicker

hyperion2010 9y ago

This is a very well understood phenomenon and is probably not implemented by counting [0, 1]. 0. http://www2.oberlin.edu/faculty/psimen/Site_2/Interval_timing.html http://www2.oberlin.edu/faculty/psimen/Site_2/Interval_timin... 1. https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&as_vis=1&q=interval+timing&btnG= https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&as_vis...

yesenadam 9y ago

You give your dog electric shocks??

cm2012 9y ago
These things are usually quite mild, especially for a dog with thick fur, and they only have to get shocked a few times before they learn. A bark collar is a great alternative to noisy dogs staying in shelters their whole lives.
- yesenadam 9y ago
  So maybe use them on people then? Sounds like a great alternative to a life of prison. But seriously, why wouldn't you, if you think it's good doing it to dogs? edit: (can't reply yet) I was going to ask if you'd do it to your children. I guess you're joking. Maybe people do that, I've no idea, I hadn't heard of giving pets electric shocks. But I don't see a huge difference between doing that to dogs and to people, maybe you do.
  - pixl97 9y ago
    I still haven't got approval on my shock collar for children, but I guess you're right, I should pivot and pitch it for law enforcement uses.
  - mulmen 9y ago
    Tasers exist and deliver much more of a jolt than a dog collar, even controlling for size.
    - yesenadam 9y ago
      True, I didn't think of tasers. I think the idea of giving your own loved ones (human or animal) shocks is a different thing though...isn't it? Downvoters to my previous comment, could you explain why? thanks.
      - mulmen 9y ago
        I see where you're coming from but there's a communication barrier between you and a dog that doesn't exist with children. That's without getting in to the rights of humans vs animals on which rational people can disagree. Most people probably wouldn't lock their kids in a kennel either but apparently that doesn't bother dogs at all.
  - markdown 9y ago
    > I was going to ask if you'd do it to your children. Disciplining children when they do something undesirable has been done since we were swinging around in trees and probably before then. The punishment method has varied from belts, to paddles, to canes, to time-outs. The pinch of an electric shock would work but isn't necessary since we can communicate with children. BTW, did you know that electric shock has been used on bed-wetting kids since the 60's?
    - yesenadam 9y ago
      No I didn't! Does it work? Now I'm ashamed I immediately asked that. "Would you want it used on you?" sounds like a better question, applying to the taser and dog examples also. I'd answer no, maybe others would say yes.
tr0ut 9y ago
Bark collars also have the benefit of calming a dog down. By preventing a dog from getting into a barking frenzy.
- efsavage 9y ago
  As a herding breed, she feels the need to control situations, often circling other dogs or children or taking away toys she deems dangerous (e.g. sticks, squirt guns). When the collar is on she immediately relaxes because she has effectively been relieved of duty.
efsavage 9y ago
Generally speaking, no. She learned very quickly how it works and knows that when the collar is on, she shouldn't bark (more than once). She only wears the collars in situations where barking is not helpful. She is free to bark at intruders and when she's playing with other dogs.

Florin_Andrei 9y ago

There is a way you can "count" steps without actual counting - if you're humming a tune or thinking of a poem with rhyme and rhythm. Maybe dogs could "bark" in their heads for similar purposes.

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pymai 9y ago

i would imagine its possible to get a feel of what 30 seconds is without having to count a certain series of numbers. being shocked would probably force you to figure it out a lot quicker