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This reaction is uncalled for (especially the addition of the 'Axis of Evil' in this submission). I believe in open source as much as the next guy, but just a f
by TallGuyShort 16y ago
This reaction is uncalled for (especially the addition of the 'Axis of Evil' in this submission). I believe in open source as much as the next guy, but just a few weeks ago there was a thread on this board in which the vast majority of people considered OpenSolaris (with the exception of say, ZFS) had become a sub-par operating system, that they wouldn't want to use. There were a few users, yes, but I think it's glaringly obvious that the death of that project started long before the Oracle aquisition. I'm close friends with several former Sun employees, all of whom had been extremely unhappy in their positions with Sun for a few years. Sun was on the verge of complete financial failure.
Yes, Oracle may be being 'evil', but they know how to run a business and make a livelihood for their employees. How many of the people that are complaining actually paid for the real worth of all the Sun products they used? If people rely on Sun so much for their own businesses, how can they expect someone else to maintain it for them at a financial loss? These people have no right to complain about what Oracle is now doing to protect it's investment. Yes, you can make a living from open source. Was Sun doing a good job of that when Oracle got them? Absolutely not.
edit: I completely agree that all this was unexpected and is unpleasant, I just don't think it's fair to attack and blame Oracle.
- jacquesm 16y agoIf there is an anti-free-software Axis of Evil I would expect Adobe to be on either end of that axis or smack in the middle. I presume this is working up to them open sourcing all their code, including photoshop.
- shadowfox 16y agoIt is far easier to pander to the crowd than to act yourself :)
- bad_user 16y agoThey haven't sued projects like Gimp yet, or have they?
- TallGuyShort 16y agoThat's a good point - this is a prime example of the differences between the GPL and more permissive FOSS licenses.
- jacquesm 16y agoActually it isn't. The Gimp is not exactly a fork of photoshop.
- nz 16y agoIn some respect, yes the Solaris system has fallen behind the likes of Linux and *BSD. Particularly in the availability of third party libraries and applications. In other areas (such as the kernel) Solaris is much more stable, reliable, and advanced. I build a new kernel every week or so from illumos-gate, and must say that the technologies in the kernel (ZFS, DTrace, kmdb, smf, zones, predictive self healing, process rights management) and some shipped in user-land by default (mdb, libumem, pfiles, coreadm, event ports, pmap) are cutting edge. In the end it boils down to using the right tool/OS for the job :)
- naner 16y ago"Employees need to get paid" doesn't justify bad behavior.
- joe_the_user 16y agoI think the only employee whose pay Larry Ellison is worried about is ... Larry Ellison.
- joe_the_user 16y agobut they know how to run a business and make a livelihood for their employees I'll grant you that Oracle makes money and I'll gratuitously grant that the Oracle database is a nice product. But Oracle is certainly not in business to keep paying it's employees. It pays it's employees with the expectation that they will make it more money. And if that means firing software developers and hiring lawyers, I'm sure that's great for them. The livelihood of any remaining Java or Solaris developers at Oracle seems rather doubtful at the moment.