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Ok, so Musk is basically doing the job of the Chinese companies of the past: producing cheaper copy of other people's inventions. And yet, some call him "visio

by mamon 9y ago

Ok, so Musk is basically doing the job of the Chinese companies of the past: producing cheaper copy of other people's inventions. And yet, some call him "visionary" or "genius" :)

adventured 9y ago
He isn't basically doing what you're describing at all in fact. :) The launches are cheaper because of the breakthrough in being able to reuse the rockets by landing them. That's the exact opposite of copying.
efdee 9y ago
Inventing new things so we can do the old things cheaper in an equally safe or safer way. Not basically what the Chinese do.
tialaramex 9y ago
Quantity has a quality all of its own. And quantity is only achieved through this sort of further optimisation. It is much too easy to disparage an optimisation as unimportant compared to some hypothetical "original" idea of which it is a refinement, and we should not do this, especially to try to claim credit for people we know at the cost of those far away we've never heard of. The "original" inventions behind recorded music, the telephone, the incandescent light bulb, and numerous other obvious examples are poor shadows of the commercially successful item that means we know them today. We honour many of the people who refined these items as "geniuses" today, often pretending to ourselves that they invented them rather than merely refining the work of others, this does everybody involved a disservice, and it disparages the real contribution of people (in China and elsewhere) optimising today's inventions. The flat panel display you're almost certainly reading this on is the product of _millions_ of such optimisations.
- nora4 9y ago
  Very good points; I'm in general though space skeptic in the following sense. Human race as a whole always seeks more, bigger, further, faster as solution its problems. I don't think space is the solution to our earthly problems. Maybe 1000 years from now, people look at us and say god damn it. I wish they had stayed there and learned how to live in earth well. We are now speared all over the place and we all hate hate each other; and just right now I hear Martian went ahead and annexed Venus and they also seem to be interfering in Andromeda elections.
rakoo 9y ago
So, like Ford and his Model T?

by mamon 9y ago

Ok, so Musk is basically doing the job of the Chinese companies of the past: producing cheaper copy of other people's inventions. And yet, some call him "visionary" or "genius" :)

adventured 9y ago

He isn't basically doing what you're describing at all in fact. :) The launches are cheaper because of the breakthrough in being able to reuse the rockets by landing them. That's the exact opposite of copying.

efdee 9y ago

Inventing new things so we can do the old things cheaper in an equally safe or safer way. Not basically what the Chinese do.

tialaramex 9y ago

Quantity has a quality all of its own. And quantity is only achieved through this sort of further optimisation. It is much too easy to disparage an optimisation as unimportant compared to some hypothetical "original" idea of which it is a refinement, and we should not do this, especially to try to claim credit for people we know at the cost of those far away we've never heard of. The "original" inventions behind recorded music, the telephone, the incandescent light bulb, and numerous other obvious examples are poor shadows of the commercially successful item that means we know them today. We honour many of the people who refined these items as "geniuses" today, often pretending to ourselves that they invented them rather than merely refining the work of others, this does everybody involved a disservice, and it disparages the real contribution of people (in China and elsewhere) optimising today's inventions. The flat panel display you're almost certainly reading this on is the product of _millions_ of such optimisations.

nora4 9y ago
Very good points; I'm in general though space skeptic in the following sense. Human race as a whole always seeks more, bigger, further, faster as solution its problems. I don't think space is the solution to our earthly problems. Maybe 1000 years from now, people look at us and say god damn it. I wish they had stayed there and learned how to live in earth well. We are now speared all over the place and we all hate hate each other; and just right now I hear Martian went ahead and annexed Venus and they also seem to be interfering in Andromeda elections.

rakoo 9y ago

So, like Ford and his Model T?