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Yes, vastly used. Just look at Youtube. Besides it's a free codec. How do you know what's in the users interest? A choice between "Video playing" vs. "Video no

by gsich 9y ago

Yes, vastly used. Just look at Youtube. Besides it's a free codec. How do you know what's in the users interest? A choice between "Video playing" vs. "Video not playing" is pretty obvious to me. (And I am a user too) If battery really is a concern (assuming it is), just make it an option not to play videos if they require software decoding. Besides that, users usually (an assumption I made, just as you did) don't watch lengthy videos (1-2 hours) on an iOS device.

Terretta 9y ago
YouTube is not ‘vastly’. Get back to us when it’s ‘vast’ among commercial content providers. Contrary to your point about not watching on iOS, I, and everyone I know, watch all content on an iOS device, both in the living room and on the go. There is certainly a segment of the market that is using misc devices or “casting” to USB sticks plugged into TVs, but the 4K TV owning cord cutters I know tend to also own iPhones and use Apple TVs. We saw this shift happen even more when iOS (and TvOS) gained SSO across apps with the “TV” app as indexer, and another bump when Amazon Prime released.
- gsich 9y ago
  Why not? Just go by traffic. Youtube default to VP9 on Chrome, so yes it is vastly used. Netflix can't even display 4K on the desktop properly. If you watch in the living room (on TV) you are not watching it on the iOS device. By that I mean the screen of the iOS device. Being in the living room, watching on TV, means you have no battery issue. Watching on your device means literally that, watching it on your device with your devices' screen. Not some casting or streaming to other displays.
  - MBCook 9y ago
    So what you’re saying is since Google has manipulated the environment so that Google’s preferred codec is the most used on Google‘s website, which happens to be the largest video site on the Internet… that means Google’s codec is better. If we ignore YouTube, which Google controls to their own benefit, what’s the percentage of WebM/VP9 versus H264/H265?
    - izacus 9y ago
      Why are you using double standards when talking about Google's codec choices vs. Apple codec choices. Do you think Apple collecting royalties for h.264/h.265 has nothing to do with them preventing you from using VP9?
      - matthewmacleod 9y ago
        I think we can say with quite a lot of confidence that any royalties Apple receives for h.264 are a rounding error in their income, and they will have ~zero impact on their decision to support other codecs or not.
      - MBCook 9y ago
        H264 is also used by Blu-Ray isn’t it? I know my cable system switched to it from MPEG2 a few years ago. H264 is used in other places in the electronics industry. That’s one of the reasons Apple picked it. Isn’t it the format most digital cameras record video in? WebM/VP9 is used by... Google. And Wikipedia (who won’t use something with patent licensing). Is there anything else big?
        izacus 9y ago
        So VP9 is "just" used by the largest video streaming service in the world, which is quickly dwarfing Blu-Ray.
        MBCook 9y ago
        Yes. Because they forced it with their pseudo-monopoly on the browser market and de facto monopoly on online video sites. Basically everyone else uses H264 like Apple since it was the designated successor to MPEG2. In this case, Apple went with the industry standard. Google is the odd man out. So why should Apple have to bend to Google’s whim here and implement WebM/VP9? Why shouldn’t Google just fix their site?
        clouddrover 9y ago
untog 9y ago
> Yes, vastly used. Just look at Youtube. The service that also provides H264 versions of its content, you mean? Which is the point I already made. > How do you know what's in the users interest? [...] If battery really is a concern (assuming it is) Well, Apple is heavy-handed with its users. They make a lot of assumptions about what is best for them, and this is one of them. > don't watch lengthy videos (1-2 hours) on an iOS device. I suspect Netflix would disagree with you.
- gsich 9y ago
  They don't know whats best for them if there is a user who wants something different. You might invoke appealing to the mass here, that doesn't make it true however. Netflix on an iPhone? Probably not. At least not holding it in your hand for 2 hours.
  - acdha 9y ago
    > Netflix on an iPhone? Probably not. At least not holding it in your hand for 2 hours. Do you have data to support this or are you just assuming that your personal tastes are universal? I see quite a few people watching videos on phones or tablets – ever see parents loading up their kid’s iPad before a flight?
    - gsich 9y ago
      This may be: http://www.businessinsider.sg/netflix-has-300-million-viewers-2017-10/ http://www.businessinsider.sg/netflix-has-300-million-viewer... With 80% on a "big" device. I also watch videos, but "video" is not a movie or series. Video sounds more like 15 min. max and/or not "cinematic".
      - ascorbic 9y ago
        I'm not sure what point you're making. 20% is still tens of millions of people watching Netflix (so movies and series) on mobile devices.
  - 9y ago

by gsich 9y ago

Terretta 9y ago

YouTube is not ‘vastly’. Get back to us when it’s ‘vast’ among commercial content providers. Contrary to your point about not watching on iOS, I, and everyone I know, watch all content on an iOS device, both in the living room and on the go. There is certainly a segment of the market that is using misc devices or “casting” to USB sticks plugged into TVs, but the 4K TV owning cord cutters I know tend to also own iPhones and use Apple TVs. We saw this shift happen even more when iOS (and TvOS) gained SSO across apps with the “TV” app as indexer, and another bump when Amazon Prime released.

gsich 9y ago
Why not? Just go by traffic. Youtube default to VP9 on Chrome, so yes it is vastly used. Netflix can't even display 4K on the desktop properly. If you watch in the living room (on TV) you are not watching it on the iOS device. By that I mean the screen of the iOS device. Being in the living room, watching on TV, means you have no battery issue. Watching on your device means literally that, watching it on your device with your devices' screen. Not some casting or streaming to other displays.
- MBCook 9y ago
  So what you’re saying is since Google has manipulated the environment so that Google’s preferred codec is the most used on Google‘s website, which happens to be the largest video site on the Internet… that means Google’s codec is better. If we ignore YouTube, which Google controls to their own benefit, what’s the percentage of WebM/VP9 versus H264/H265?
  - izacus 9y ago
    Why are you using double standards when talking about Google's codec choices vs. Apple codec choices. Do you think Apple collecting royalties for h.264/h.265 has nothing to do with them preventing you from using VP9?
    - matthewmacleod 9y ago
      I think we can say with quite a lot of confidence that any royalties Apple receives for h.264 are a rounding error in their income, and they will have ~zero impact on their decision to support other codecs or not.
    - MBCook 9y ago
      H264 is also used by Blu-Ray isn’t it? I know my cable system switched to it from MPEG2 a few years ago. H264 is used in other places in the electronics industry. That’s one of the reasons Apple picked it. Isn’t it the format most digital cameras record video in? WebM/VP9 is used by... Google. And Wikipedia (who won’t use something with patent licensing). Is there anything else big?
      - izacus 9y ago
        So VP9 is "just" used by the largest video streaming service in the world, which is quickly dwarfing Blu-Ray.
        MBCook 9y ago
        Yes. Because they forced it with their pseudo-monopoly on the browser market and de facto monopoly on online video sites. Basically everyone else uses H264 like Apple since it was the designated successor to MPEG2. In this case, Apple went with the industry standard. Google is the odd man out. So why should Apple have to bend to Google’s whim here and implement WebM/VP9? Why shouldn’t Google just fix their site?
        clouddrover 9y ago

untog 9y ago

> Yes, vastly used. Just look at Youtube. The service that also provides H264 versions of its content, you mean? Which is the point I already made. > How do you know what's in the users interest? [...] If battery really is a concern (assuming it is) Well, Apple is heavy-handed with its users. They make a lot of assumptions about what is best for them, and this is one of them. > don't watch lengthy videos (1-2 hours) on an iOS device. I suspect Netflix would disagree with you.

gsich 9y ago
They don't know whats best for them if there is a user who wants something different. You might invoke appealing to the mass here, that doesn't make it true however. Netflix on an iPhone? Probably not. At least not holding it in your hand for 2 hours.
- acdha 9y ago
  > Netflix on an iPhone? Probably not. At least not holding it in your hand for 2 hours. Do you have data to support this or are you just assuming that your personal tastes are universal? I see quite a few people watching videos on phones or tablets – ever see parents loading up their kid’s iPad before a flight?
  - gsich 9y ago
    This may be: http://www.businessinsider.sg/netflix-has-300-million-viewers-2017-10/ http://www.businessinsider.sg/netflix-has-300-million-viewer... With 80% on a "big" device. I also watch videos, but "video" is not a movie or series. Video sounds more like 15 min. max and/or not "cinematic".
    - ascorbic 9y ago
      I'm not sure what point you're making. 20% is still tens of millions of people watching Netflix (so movies and series) on mobile devices.
- 9y ago