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Assuming that the "offender" was talking about race and gender is so ironically racist and sexist. Makes me chuckle.

by randyrand 9y ago

icebraining 9y ago
How is it racist and sexist?
- andrepd 9y ago
  I think a good-faith reading of the parent commentary is that he was talking about the mannerisms and language and overall appearance of the person, not that he was white-skinned and a man. Immediately assuming he was saying he looks like an engineer because he isn't a women, or dark-skinned, is ironically a racist and sexist assumption.
  - icebraining 9y ago
    No, recognizing the existence of sexist and racist stereotypes is not the same as being sexist and racist. Even if one incorrectly assumes that someone holds such stereotypical views.
    - eatmywokeballs 9y ago
      yeah, you tell yourself that. it’s totally fair to be woke about shitty bigotry because being a constant pain in the ass for no reason will definitely “fix” anything at all ever
    - Dylan16807 9y ago
      If you're incorrect enough at spotting stereotypes, and then flatly assert their use, well... There's now a stereotype being applied, and you're the one that did it. Even if you're arguing against it, that's not a positive thing to do.
      - icebraining 9y ago
        In not saying it's a positive thing, just that it's not sexist or racist.
  - robeastham 9y ago
    I find it fascinating that SpaceX manages to pull off one of the most amazing things in the history of humanity and the top comment thread here on HN somehow manages to get bogged down in discussing race, gender and sexual orientation as it relates to the "hosts" of the live stream. These are important issues to be sure, but the self appointed thought police of generation "I'm offended" who feel the need to instruct everyone on how they should behave, write and think are beginning to get on my tits. I clicked on here hoping to feel and read everyone buzzing about this great news and instead I just switch off from HN and think "meh". Disclaimer: I'm a privileged middle aged white guy. Edit: grammar and rephrasing to allow for the inclusion of the phrase "beginning to get on my tits".
    - deleted 9y ago
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    - ionforce 9y ago
      > somehow manages to get bogged down Your view that these issues are superfluous and can bog things down is a direct function of your privilege (granted by your being white and male, for example). Your irritation is also an example of white fragility. You don't have to believe any of this stuff. But could you consider a scenario in which your ability to freely enjoy these things is not freely enjoyed by someone of a different race or gender as you? If you don't want to consider it, that's your choice.
    - andrepd 9y ago
      >SpaceX manages to pull off one of the most amazing things in the history of humanity Whoa there. They launched a rocket, one not even heavier than the 50 year old Saturn V. This is not the most amazing thing that ever happened ever.

Assuming that the "offender" was talking about race and gender is so ironically racist and sexist. Makes me chuckle.

icebraining 9y ago

How is it racist and sexist?

andrepd 9y ago
I think a good-faith reading of the parent commentary is that he was talking about the mannerisms and language and overall appearance of the person, not that he was white-skinned and a man. Immediately assuming he was saying he looks like an engineer because he isn't a women, or dark-skinned, is ironically a racist and sexist assumption.
- icebraining 9y ago
  No, recognizing the existence of sexist and racist stereotypes is not the same as being sexist and racist. Even if one incorrectly assumes that someone holds such stereotypical views.
  - eatmywokeballs 9y ago
    yeah, you tell yourself that. it’s totally fair to be woke about shitty bigotry because being a constant pain in the ass for no reason will definitely “fix” anything at all ever
  - Dylan16807 9y ago
    If you're incorrect enough at spotting stereotypes, and then flatly assert their use, well... There's now a stereotype being applied, and you're the one that did it. Even if you're arguing against it, that's not a positive thing to do.
    - icebraining 9y ago
      In not saying it's a positive thing, just that it's not sexist or racist.
- robeastham 9y ago
  I find it fascinating that SpaceX manages to pull off one of the most amazing things in the history of humanity and the top comment thread here on HN somehow manages to get bogged down in discussing race, gender and sexual orientation as it relates to the "hosts" of the live stream. These are important issues to be sure, but the self appointed thought police of generation "I'm offended" who feel the need to instruct everyone on how they should behave, write and think are beginning to get on my tits. I clicked on here hoping to feel and read everyone buzzing about this great news and instead I just switch off from HN and think "meh". Disclaimer: I'm a privileged middle aged white guy. Edit: grammar and rephrasing to allow for the inclusion of the phrase "beginning to get on my tits".
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  - ionforce 9y ago
    > somehow manages to get bogged down Your view that these issues are superfluous and can bog things down is a direct function of your privilege (granted by your being white and male, for example). Your irritation is also an example of white fragility. You don't have to believe any of this stuff. But could you consider a scenario in which your ability to freely enjoy these things is not freely enjoyed by someone of a different race or gender as you? If you don't want to consider it, that's your choice.
  - andrepd 9y ago
    >SpaceX manages to pull off one of the most amazing things in the history of humanity Whoa there. They launched a rocket, one not even heavier than the 50 year old Saturn V. This is not the most amazing thing that ever happened ever.