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You don't need to worry about UC browser if you aren't in China (that knocks several other browsers > 1% "global" share too). Opera Mini + IE11 is ~5.5% unsuppo

You don't need to worry about UC browser if you aren't in China (that knocks several other browsers > 1% "global" share too). Opera Mini + IE11 is ~5.5% unsupported. One recommendation from the video the other day was also very good in this regard: https://youtu.be/7kVeCqQCxlk?t=23m45s https://youtu.be/7kVeCqQCxlk?t=23m45s Create something that works on mobile, then use grid to build outwards. Then you get reasonable views on unsupported platforms (the mobile-centric view, and most platforms that don't support grid are Mobile) and grid works where it can / needs to. IE11 will -never- support grid. Don't let that hold you back! (Unless you're specifically developing for an IE11-rich market)

PunchTornado 9y ago
very few people aren't in china. all projects i received lately test their site from china and want to expand there
- bpicolo 9y ago
  That really seems like the billion+ dollar long tail. Either way, the mobile-first with grid on top strategy works out there.
  - dictum 9y ago
    Sometimes I wonder if 80% of CSS-related snark is coming by way of not understanding media queries.
- adventured 9y ago
  Most North American, South American, European and African small businesses have zero business relationships when it comes to selling into China. EU exports to China, for example, are a mere ~$210b - with zero growth for several years - vs the $17t size of the EU economy. That's about 1/3 smaller than the size of Canadian imports from the US. So it very much depends on your use case, as always. Mostly what China is looking to do is export and acquire, they've shown a very low interest in importing in any broad sense. Most businesses around the world will never have meaningful access to selling into China, unless their economic approach radically changes.
  - pjmlp 9y ago
    Speaking from Germany point of view, lots of companies do care about specific browser versions, some of them are only now transitioning to IE 11 on their minimum requirements RFPs.
ravenstine 9y ago
That is until your boss's boss from up above complains that the web app you've built for them isn't working on their Windows 7 computer. I would normally agree with quickly dropping support for the old web, but then I'm forced to balance that with the dirtiness of mobile/feature detection for CSS, in which case I would choose to use the CSS that will just work for the situation at hand.
- WorldMaker 9y ago
  1) IE11 correctly handles `@support (display: grid) {}` (in that it recognizes it does not support it, because IE11's spec-inconsistent implementation is prefixed), which means CSS feature detection for grid works and is easy. 2) IE11 has an -ms- prefixed implementation of grid, it's just somewhat inconsistent with the final spec. That said, it's also rather feature complete comparatively, so if you must support IE11, and must give it grids, there is an option to use IE11's native grids as a terrible fallback. 3) Windows 7's extended support ends January 2020. There is less than two years left of security patches left for Windows 7. If your company isn't already planning to migrate to something more recent than Windows 7, time is ticking.

PunchTornado 9y ago

very few people aren't in china. all projects i received lately test their site from china and want to expand there

bpicolo 9y ago
That really seems like the billion+ dollar long tail. Either way, the mobile-first with grid on top strategy works out there.
- dictum 9y ago
  Sometimes I wonder if 80% of CSS-related snark is coming by way of not understanding media queries.
adventured 9y ago
Most North American, South American, European and African small businesses have zero business relationships when it comes to selling into China. EU exports to China, for example, are a mere ~$210b - with zero growth for several years - vs the $17t size of the EU economy. That's about 1/3 smaller than the size of Canadian imports from the US. So it very much depends on your use case, as always. Mostly what China is looking to do is export and acquire, they've shown a very low interest in importing in any broad sense. Most businesses around the world will never have meaningful access to selling into China, unless their economic approach radically changes.
- pjmlp 9y ago
  Speaking from Germany point of view, lots of companies do care about specific browser versions, some of them are only now transitioning to IE 11 on their minimum requirements RFPs.

ravenstine 9y ago

That is until your boss's boss from up above complains that the web app you've built for them isn't working on their Windows 7 computer. I would normally agree with quickly dropping support for the old web, but then I'm forced to balance that with the dirtiness of mobile/feature detection for CSS, in which case I would choose to use the CSS that will just work for the situation at hand.

WorldMaker 9y ago
1) IE11 correctly handles `@support (display: grid) {}` (in that it recognizes it does not support it, because IE11's spec-inconsistent implementation is prefixed), which means CSS feature detection for grid works and is easy. 2) IE11 has an -ms- prefixed implementation of grid, it's just somewhat inconsistent with the final spec. That said, it's also rather feature complete comparatively, so if you must support IE11, and must give it grids, there is an option to use IE11's native grids as a terrible fallback. 3) Windows 7's extended support ends January 2020. There is less than two years left of security patches left for Windows 7. If your company isn't already planning to migrate to something more recent than Windows 7, time is ticking.