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Can you imagine how much they would charge for the "ink" on these things?

donquichotte 9y ago
My thoughts exactly. And since it's for corporations, it will also feature a display and have a really slow and buggy Java UI. It will randomly crash and have badly translated error messages for a premium price of 130'000 USD. And of course, you will only be able to use HP filaments!
bpicolo 9y ago
> HP Jet Fusion 3D 4210 Printing Solution average printing cost-per-part is 65% lower versus the average cost of comparable FDM and SLS printer solutions from $100,000 USD to $300,000 USD on market as of April, 2016 Depends on how much you believe that statement I suppose?
- rangersanger 9y ago
  If you look at the fine print they compared the "default mode" of the other printers with their "fast mode." I've evaluated a few 3d printers and from what I recall the default mode is usually fairly high quality (read uses more material.) We were about ready to pull the trigger on a competitors printer (~100k machine) but at the last minute figured out that the media would basically cost us the salary for a full time employee. Instead we're running a cheapo FDM machine for parts where quality isn't critical and outsourcing the highend stuff to shapeways (who are mentioned below.) Overall I've been really happy with this strategy.
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- wand3r 9y ago
  To be fair they are weighing an unreleased solution in the most optimal configuration against nearly 2 year old data. For 100k shopping right now it would be interesting to get an apples to apples in the entire market because that is what people purchasing this will be looking at
cptskippy 9y ago
If it's anything like the rest of their printer line, it will be cheaper to just buy a new one than it will to refill the ink.
- notatoad 9y ago
  That has never been true, even for the cheapest consumer printers. The "starter" cartridges that printers come with only contain about 10% of the ink of a full cartridge.
  - dekhn 9y ago
    I owned an HP Laser Printer recently (paid $250). The starter cartridge lasted me 4 years, and when I went to replace the cartridge ($50), it didn't work. The printer is now out of warranty, so I'll be buying a new printer.
    - cptskippy 9y ago
      That's essentially what happened to me. The cartridges got down to 1% and around the same time it started jamming. I bought a replacement Black cartridge and it continued to jam. I wasn't about to spend $200 on the color cartridges at that point so I bought a brand new printer instead.
  - cptskippy 9y ago
    I bought a LaserJet CP1525nw for ~$250. The "starter" cartridges lasted me just over 4 years. Refills for it cost $340. I bought a brand new LaserJet M452dn for $212.
    - Sohcahtoa82 9y ago
      What you just said doesn't refute notatoad's point. Those $340 refills will contain more than double the toner than the starter cartridges. The fact that the starter cartridges lasted you 4 years is more of a testament to how little you print. A refill probably would have lasted you 8+ years.
gene-h 9y ago
And because it's HP they're also doing other nasty stuff too. You know how most 2d printers put invisible tracking dots in their prints to prevent counterfeiting? Well HP's 3d printers are going to do the same for 'security', anti-counterfeiting, and DRM purposes. They can print whatever pattern of color they want inside the part, so that one can scratch off the surface layer and determine who ran off illegal copies of mickey mouse action figures and when. [0]https://higherlogicdownload.s3.amazonaws.com/AUVSI/6322f901-72cc-424f-9550-cee46d4da1d6/UploadedImages/documents/FutureRoboticsForumPresentations/HPJetFusion3D.pdf https://higherlogicdownload.s3.amazonaws.com/AUVSI/6322f901-...
- phkahler 9y ago
  From one of the embedded information slides: Photoluminescent materials visible under UV light They could print that on the surface but then everyone could see it rather easily.
- goblin89 9y ago
  Is there a solution that doesn’t involve DRM—meaning at least some way to restrict on which devices given model may be printed—yet can enable marketplaces on which independent inventors who specialize in creating 3D-printable items could confidently publish their work and reliably get paid without worrying about theft?
kazinator 9y ago
Sad to see the likes of HP taking over 3D printing, who didn't employ anyone who had the clue to even remotely conceive of it.
j2bax 9y ago
To be fair, this isn't a consumer product by any stretch of the imagination. HP has been in the business market for a long time on large format printers as well as servers, where the money isn't as much in the media as it is in the premium price tag up front and service contracts.

My thoughts exactly. And since it's for corporations, it will also feature a display and have a really slow and buggy Java UI. It will randomly crash and have badly translated error messages for a premium price of 130'000 USD. And of course, you will only be able to use HP filaments!

bpicolo 9y ago

> HP Jet Fusion 3D 4210 Printing Solution average printing cost-per-part is 65% lower versus the average cost of comparable FDM and SLS printer solutions from $100,000 USD to $300,000 USD on market as of April, 2016 Depends on how much you believe that statement I suppose?

rangersanger 9y ago
If you look at the fine print they compared the "default mode" of the other printers with their "fast mode." I've evaluated a few 3d printers and from what I recall the default mode is usually fairly high quality (read uses more material.) We were about ready to pull the trigger on a competitors printer (~100k machine) but at the last minute figured out that the media would basically cost us the salary for a full time employee. Instead we're running a cheapo FDM machine for parts where quality isn't critical and outsourcing the highend stuff to shapeways (who are mentioned below.) Overall I've been really happy with this strategy.
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wand3r 9y ago
To be fair they are weighing an unreleased solution in the most optimal configuration against nearly 2 year old data. For 100k shopping right now it would be interesting to get an apples to apples in the entire market because that is what people purchasing this will be looking at

cptskippy 9y ago

If it's anything like the rest of their printer line, it will be cheaper to just buy a new one than it will to refill the ink.

notatoad 9y ago
That has never been true, even for the cheapest consumer printers. The "starter" cartridges that printers come with only contain about 10% of the ink of a full cartridge.
- dekhn 9y ago
  I owned an HP Laser Printer recently (paid $250). The starter cartridge lasted me 4 years, and when I went to replace the cartridge ($50), it didn't work. The printer is now out of warranty, so I'll be buying a new printer.
  - cptskippy 9y ago
    That's essentially what happened to me. The cartridges got down to 1% and around the same time it started jamming. I bought a replacement Black cartridge and it continued to jam. I wasn't about to spend $200 on the color cartridges at that point so I bought a brand new printer instead.
- cptskippy 9y ago
  I bought a LaserJet CP1525nw for ~$250. The "starter" cartridges lasted me just over 4 years. Refills for it cost $340. I bought a brand new LaserJet M452dn for $212.
  - Sohcahtoa82 9y ago
    What you just said doesn't refute notatoad's point. Those $340 refills will contain more than double the toner than the starter cartridges. The fact that the starter cartridges lasted you 4 years is more of a testament to how little you print. A refill probably would have lasted you 8+ years.

gene-h 9y ago

And because it's HP they're also doing other nasty stuff too. You know how most 2d printers put invisible tracking dots in their prints to prevent counterfeiting? Well HP's 3d printers are going to do the same for 'security', anti-counterfeiting, and DRM purposes. They can print whatever pattern of color they want inside the part, so that one can scratch off the surface layer and determine who ran off illegal copies of mickey mouse action figures and when. [0]https://higherlogicdownload.s3.amazonaws.com/AUVSI/6322f901-72cc-424f-9550-cee46d4da1d6/UploadedImages/documents/FutureRoboticsForumPresentations/HPJetFusion3D.pdf https://higherlogicdownload.s3.amazonaws.com/AUVSI/6322f901-...

phkahler 9y ago
From one of the embedded information slides: Photoluminescent materials visible under UV light They could print that on the surface but then everyone could see it rather easily.
goblin89 9y ago
Is there a solution that doesn’t involve DRM—meaning at least some way to restrict on which devices given model may be printed—yet can enable marketplaces on which independent inventors who specialize in creating 3D-printable items could confidently publish their work and reliably get paid without worrying about theft?

kazinator 9y ago

Sad to see the likes of HP taking over 3D printing, who didn't employ anyone who had the clue to even remotely conceive of it.

j2bax 9y ago

To be fair, this isn't a consumer product by any stretch of the imagination. HP has been in the business market for a long time on large format printers as well as servers, where the money isn't as much in the media as it is in the premium price tag up front and service contracts.