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This post wasn't about answering those questions, that they have done already elsewhere (some of it linked in the article, even). This was about how they will m

This post wasn't about answering those questions, that they have done already elsewhere (some of it linked in the article, even). This was about how they will make sure not to use SHIELD to do the same in the future.

Svip 9y ago
Hell, that post[0] is linked in the first paragraph. [0] https://blog.mozilla.org/firefox/update-looking-glass-add/
pbhjpbhj 9y ago
3 times in, what, a year they've now tried deceptively foisting bundled changes (with commercial links) ... whoever is in charge clearly didn't get it and just thinks it's about implementation details.
- maaaats 9y ago
  What 3 times are we talking about?
  - Fnoord 9y ago
    Pocket integration was in 2015 (acquisition was in Feb 2017 [1] as linked in this article as well) so not last year, but the Cliqz debacle was last year. Assuming Looking Glass is the most recent one I'm not sure about #3. Describing Pocket as being #3 within a year is dishonest IMO. [1] https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2017/02/27/mozilla-acquires-pocket/ https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2017/02/27/mozilla-acquires-po...
    - pbhjpbhj 9y ago
      Ok, so if it's in 2 years that makes it fine? Pocket, Hello/Telefonica, Pocket again (or was it Hello, my recollection is hazy, they forced the icons back for users who's removed them), Mr Robot, ... I apologise if it causes some harm that I have imperfect recollection.
      - Fnoord 9y ago
        > Ok, so if it's in 2 years that makes it fine? Not what I was arguing. The purpose of my post was helping out recollecting the mistakes Mozilla made. I don't remember the Hello issue. You're also forgetting the Cliqz debacle. Sure, it was German-specific, but still. I don't think it is fine, and it is good Mozilla is being criticised. However, the alternatives are arguably much worse.
zelos 9y ago
Come on, this doesn't trigger your weasel words detector? >An ‘experiment’ that does not capture any data is not an experiment at all. >In retrospect, not capturing data was a strong indicator that this was not a good SHIELD study candidate, so we’re making sure we’re going to specifically evaluate future studies So a commercial add on that _does_ collect data is ok?

Svip 9y ago

Hell, that post[0] is linked in the first paragraph. [0] https://blog.mozilla.org/firefox/update-looking-glass-add/

pbhjpbhj 9y ago

3 times in, what, a year they've now tried deceptively foisting bundled changes (with commercial links) ... whoever is in charge clearly didn't get it and just thinks it's about implementation details.

maaaats 9y ago
What 3 times are we talking about?
- Fnoord 9y ago
  Pocket integration was in 2015 (acquisition was in Feb 2017 [1] as linked in this article as well) so not last year, but the Cliqz debacle was last year. Assuming Looking Glass is the most recent one I'm not sure about #3. Describing Pocket as being #3 within a year is dishonest IMO. [1] https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2017/02/27/mozilla-acquires-pocket/ https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2017/02/27/mozilla-acquires-po...
  - pbhjpbhj 9y ago
    Ok, so if it's in 2 years that makes it fine? Pocket, Hello/Telefonica, Pocket again (or was it Hello, my recollection is hazy, they forced the icons back for users who's removed them), Mr Robot, ... I apologise if it causes some harm that I have imperfect recollection.
    - Fnoord 9y ago
      > Ok, so if it's in 2 years that makes it fine? Not what I was arguing. The purpose of my post was helping out recollecting the mistakes Mozilla made. I don't remember the Hello issue. You're also forgetting the Cliqz debacle. Sure, it was German-specific, but still. I don't think it is fine, and it is good Mozilla is being criticised. However, the alternatives are arguably much worse.

zelos 9y ago

Come on, this doesn't trigger your weasel words detector? >An ‘experiment’ that does not capture any data is not an experiment at all. >In retrospect, not capturing data was a strong indicator that this was not a good SHIELD study candidate, so we’re making sure we’re going to specifically evaluate future studies So a commercial add on that _does_ collect data is ok?