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>China built and paid for the African Union’s computer network I guess the old saying applies, "if you aren't paying for it, you are the product."

dogma1138 9y ago
China also built the UK government network hopefully the UK, the end result is also likely similar despite the UK paying quite a bit for it. On the works here is for China to build the next generation of nuclear reactors in the UK let’s see how will that turn out.
- cm2187 9y ago
  And the phone in your pocket storing some of your most sensitive data is most likely built in China.
  - dogma1138 9y ago
    But but but it’s designed in California :(
  - adventured 9y ago
    Most likely not. For example, half of all Samsung phones are now made in Vietnam. China is gradually losing all of Samsung's business. The same will ultimately hold true for Apple. Ten years from now, the only companies that will still be making smartphones in China, will be their domestic brands. http://www.businesskorea.co.kr/english/news/industry/8785-samsung-made-vietnam-50-samsung-mobile-phones-made-vietnam http://www.businesskorea.co.kr/english/news/industry/8785-sa...
    - konschubert 9y ago
      So weird to read that they are moving production away from China because of high labor costs. Truely the beginning of a new age.
      - cm2187 9y ago
        Economists tend to forecast at 30 years by extrapolating the last few years. It is not obvious to me that the chinese economic miracle of the last 20 years, largely fueled by foreign investments (every industry in the world outsourcing to China), and after 2008 by domestic debt, is sustainable and reproducible in the long term.
ghostcluster 9y ago
No wonder the US pressured Verizon to stop selling Huawei phones completely. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-01-30/verizon-is-said-to-drop-plans-to-sell-phones-from-china-s-huawei https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-01-30/verizon-i... I can feel the tensions between the West and China heating up notch by notch now.. It's a bit uncomfortable. I even feel a personal dampening on what I will say publicly about China on social media, just because of hypothetical tech/travel opportunities, and I don't even live there. The CCP banned hip hop music in the country the other day, and they're pressuring the Hong Kong courts to make guilty rulings against democracy dissidents: https://www.wsj.com/articles/beijing-attacks-hong-kongs-rule-of-law-1517270605 https://www.wsj.com/articles/beijing-attacks-hong-kongs-rule... It feels like there could possibly be more larger scale problems going forward and I'm slightly jittery.
- hux_ 9y ago
  Don't blindly apply what works in the US to China. The difference in population/social structure and a hundred other things, result in different approaches. Just like a pride of lions surrounded by a herd of wildebeest work differently to what happens inside an ant hill. Sure the ants have conquered every nook of the world, that doesn't mean every animal on the serangeti has to start getting jittery.
- adventured 9y ago
  They're also attempting to take control of the local operations of foreign companies in China: "American and European companies involved in joint ventures with state-owned Chinese firms have been asked in recent months to give internal Communist Party cells an explicit role in decision-making" https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/command-and-control-chinas-communist-party-extends-reach-into-foreign-companies/2018/01/28/cd49ffa6-fc57-11e7-9b5d-bbf0da31214d_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/command-an... "Late last month, executives from more than a dozen top European companies in China met in Beijing to discuss their concerns about the growing role of the ruling Communist Party in the local operations of foreign firms" https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-congress-companies/exclusive-in-china-the-partys-push-for-influence-inside-foreign-firms-stirs-fears-idUSKCN1B40JU https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-congress-companies/...
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dogma1138 9y ago

China also built the UK government network hopefully the UK, the end result is also likely similar despite the UK paying quite a bit for it. On the works here is for China to build the next generation of nuclear reactors in the UK let’s see how will that turn out.

cm2187 9y ago
And the phone in your pocket storing some of your most sensitive data is most likely built in China.
- dogma1138 9y ago
  But but but it’s designed in California :(
- adventured 9y ago
  Most likely not. For example, half of all Samsung phones are now made in Vietnam. China is gradually losing all of Samsung's business. The same will ultimately hold true for Apple. Ten years from now, the only companies that will still be making smartphones in China, will be their domestic brands. http://www.businesskorea.co.kr/english/news/industry/8785-samsung-made-vietnam-50-samsung-mobile-phones-made-vietnam http://www.businesskorea.co.kr/english/news/industry/8785-sa...
  - konschubert 9y ago
    So weird to read that they are moving production away from China because of high labor costs. Truely the beginning of a new age.
    - cm2187 9y ago
      Economists tend to forecast at 30 years by extrapolating the last few years. It is not obvious to me that the chinese economic miracle of the last 20 years, largely fueled by foreign investments (every industry in the world outsourcing to China), and after 2008 by domestic debt, is sustainable and reproducible in the long term.

ghostcluster 9y ago

No wonder the US pressured Verizon to stop selling Huawei phones completely. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-01-30/verizon-is-said-to-drop-plans-to-sell-phones-from-china-s-huawei https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-01-30/verizon-i... I can feel the tensions between the West and China heating up notch by notch now.. It's a bit uncomfortable. I even feel a personal dampening on what I will say publicly about China on social media, just because of hypothetical tech/travel opportunities, and I don't even live there. The CCP banned hip hop music in the country the other day, and they're pressuring the Hong Kong courts to make guilty rulings against democracy dissidents: https://www.wsj.com/articles/beijing-attacks-hong-kongs-rule-of-law-1517270605 https://www.wsj.com/articles/beijing-attacks-hong-kongs-rule... It feels like there could possibly be more larger scale problems going forward and I'm slightly jittery.

hux_ 9y ago
Don't blindly apply what works in the US to China. The difference in population/social structure and a hundred other things, result in different approaches. Just like a pride of lions surrounded by a herd of wildebeest work differently to what happens inside an ant hill. Sure the ants have conquered every nook of the world, that doesn't mean every animal on the serangeti has to start getting jittery.
adventured 9y ago
They're also attempting to take control of the local operations of foreign companies in China: "American and European companies involved in joint ventures with state-owned Chinese firms have been asked in recent months to give internal Communist Party cells an explicit role in decision-making" https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/command-and-control-chinas-communist-party-extends-reach-into-foreign-companies/2018/01/28/cd49ffa6-fc57-11e7-9b5d-bbf0da31214d_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/command-an... "Late last month, executives from more than a dozen top European companies in China met in Beijing to discuss their concerns about the growing role of the ruling Communist Party in the local operations of foreign firms" https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-congress-companies/exclusive-in-china-the-partys-push-for-influence-inside-foreign-firms-stirs-fears-idUSKCN1B40JU https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-congress-companies/...

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