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Audit: http://budget.nv.gov/uploadedFiles/budgetnvgov/content/IAudits/About/AuditRpts/C18-01%20DMV%20Audit.pdf http://budget.nv.gov/uploadedFiles/budgetnvgov/co

by us0r 9y ago

Audit: http://budget.nv.gov/uploadedFiles/budgetnvgov/content/IAudits/About/AuditRpts/C18-01%20DMV%20Audit.pdf http://budget.nv.gov/uploadedFiles/budgetnvgov/content/IAudi... This one is extra bad. Not even a communication plan? They did manage to spend $13 MILLION on Oracle shit though. The best part is the solution they sold, which is not even working in New Hampshire, and was built on DynamicsCRM (not portable to oracle) The grand finale: "The contract was amended in February 2017, which extended the termination date for an additional year for maintenance coverage. It also increased the maximum amount of the contract by $3 million, primarily for additional hardware and software." That person needs to be fired immediately and probably arrested.

us0r 9y ago
EDIT: NV always responds really fast to info requests but this one is taking a while. I specifically asked for reference letters with everything else. Who ever filled in the info on the BOE meeting clearly lied. They've had a contract with another state and my guess is unhealthy. http://purchasing.nv.gov/uploadedFiles/purchasingnvgov/content/Bids/Documents/RFP3158a.pdf http://purchasing.nv.gov/uploadedFiles/purchasingnvgov/conte... They want something "cloud ready" yet acquired $600,000 of Oracle cloud licenses (what ever that is)? "The Department purchased and received Oracle hardware, Oracle Software, Network and security Hardware and Software, and the Oracle Cloud Software. The hardware is located in both the Department's Carson City and Las Vegas (Flamingo) server rooms. To-date, the purchase cost for hardware and software is $11,408,412. The cost breakdown is as follows: 1. Oracle Hardware - $3,000,000 2. Oracle Software - $5,900,000 3. Oracle Cloud Subscription - $618,000 4. Security-Network software and hardware - $1,890,412 Total Costs $11,408,412" http://budget.nv.gov/uploadedFiles/budgetnvgov/content/Meetings/Board_of_Examiners/2016/April_Complete.pdf http://budget.nv.gov/uploadedFiles/budgetnvgov/content/Meeti... Page 262. "This is a new contract to provide, design and implement a new system to replace the existing and aging client server application. The modernization of the current system will provide better customer service, reduce transaction processing time, increase speed-to-market of NV DMV products and services, enhance security and reduce system backlog" Very clever choice of words. I'll bet the board who approved that contract didn't know they signed a contract for nothing. From their own site: https://www.techmahindra.com/media/press_releases/TechMahindra-to-modernize-the-US-State-of-Nevada-Department-MotorVehicles.aspx https://www.techmahindra.com/media/press_releases/TechMahind... "The solution will be migrated to the Oracle technology stack" So they are going to migrate 4 years worth of Dynamics customizations (which aren't even working) to the Oracle technology stack. Right. No shit they didn't even show up.
- tajen 9y ago
  Is this decision so bad that it’s highlighting a potential red flag for a bribe between Oracle and managers of this company? « Probable cause » warrant investigations in other areas, wondering about this one.
  - us0r 9y ago
    Personally I have no doubt someone has a job offer at oracle or two people are exchanging envelopes. If the vendor suggested Oracle maybe not but since it was someone at the DMV, 100%. I'm about 90% sure Oracle isn't even fully implemented in any DMV.
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- inferiorhuman 9y ago
  > They want something "cloud ready" yet acquired $600,000 of Oracle cloud licenses (what ever that is)? Chatting with a former coworker and apparently Oracle has their own (dysfunctional) cloud offering these days.
  - megaman22 9y ago
    Yes indeed. I know a couple of Oracle salespeople, and they appear to be pushing it hard - they were giving insane incentive bonuses for selling cloud subscription signups until recently. Not sure that they're really making inroads though.
  - sitharus 9y ago
    They even have a fleet of branded cars they drive around competitor's events to promote themselves: https://twitter.com/Oracle/status/935647345823309830 https://twitter.com/Oracle/status/935647345823309830 They promise to cut your Amazon bill in half. I guess they have scissors.
  - thisisit 9y ago
CapacitorSet 9y ago
Unsurprisingly, the work was outsourced to an Indian company, "Tech Mahindra". Nothing against Indians as a people, but Indian outsourcing companies are known for the terrible product quality.
- us0r 9y ago
  My problem is the tax payer is paying $195 an hour and the Indian guy is maybe getting $5? Nevermind the tax payer getting ripped off, it just seems wrong.
  - linkmotif 9y ago
    Also totally a waste practically because you get no product.
- deleted 9y ago
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- ehnto 9y ago
  I just don't understand why public works should ever go outside of the local economy, globalisation or not. I don't just want my tax dollars to give me a new thing, I want that new thing to be built in my state. If we don't have the skillset then let that money stimulate growth there. Recently our government outsourced some naval ship building outside the country at the last moment after having expressed they were going to have them locally built. The reason for the switch was cost. To shave a million or two off the price of a many hundred million dollar project they decided to completely remove our local economy from the benefactors. Private projects? Do what you like. Global times. But a governments role is to grow the economy and welfare of its people, public works are excellent ways to stimulate that.
  - mc32 9y ago
    Or local universities[1]. I think they had their then current staff train their replacements --what gall. Now, imagine if the faculty president thought "hmm, I bet we can save a bunch if we do remote teaching. We'll get super large interactive displays in every classroom and we'll have faculty in [some country] teach our students. We'll save millions!" [1]http://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/UCSF-to-outsource-dozens-of-tech-jobs-to-India-10414432.php http://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/UCSF-to-outsource...
chimeracoder 9y ago
> This one is extra bad. Not even a communication plan? They did manage to spend $13 MILLION on Oracle shit though. The best part is the solution they sold, which is not even working in New Hampshire, and was built on DynamicsCRM (not portable to oracle)... That person needs to be fired immediately and probably arrested. To be honest, as someone who lives in New York, that doesn't even sound that bad, as far as corruption in government contract goes. To give you an idea, the MTA was recently caught paying $200,000 per day to people who literally did not have any jobs to do[0]. They were able to cover this up for years, and when it was finally made public, nobody batted an eyelid because, well, this level of corruption and wasteful spending is so commonplace that nobody was surprised in the least. Hopefully Nevada has a functioning democratic government (unlike New York) and the state government decides to hold these people accountable. It's been over a month since that NYTimes piece came out, and Governor Cuomo hasn't even felt the need to respond to it - that's how little accountability our elected officials here have. [0] https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/28/nyregion/new-york-subway-construction-costs.html https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/28/nyregion/new-york-subway-...
- cookiecaper 9y ago
  From your link: > The labor deals negotiated between the unions and construction companies also ensure that workers are well paid. The agreement for Local 147, the union for the famed “sandhogs” who dig the tunnels, includes a pay rate for most members of $111 per hour in salary and benefits. The pay doubles for overtime or Sunday work, which is common in transit construction. Weekend overtime pays quadruple — more than $400 per hour. Wow. Seems like programming isn't a good field if you're in it for the money. The base pay may not be far off if you're a big shot superstar in a small market or normal in SV, but which of us gets 4x salary for weekend hours?
  - ofcrpls 9y ago
    I am sure the workers wouldn't see much of this overtime pay as the TM would have just billed NV DMV at that rate.
- acct1771 9y ago

by us0r 9y ago

us0r 9y ago

EDIT: NV always responds really fast to info requests but this one is taking a while. I specifically asked for reference letters with everything else. Who ever filled in the info on the BOE meeting clearly lied. They've had a contract with another state and my guess is unhealthy. http://purchasing.nv.gov/uploadedFiles/purchasingnvgov/content/Bids/Documents/RFP3158a.pdf http://purchasing.nv.gov/uploadedFiles/purchasingnvgov/conte... They want something "cloud ready" yet acquired $600,000 of Oracle cloud licenses (what ever that is)? "The Department purchased and received Oracle hardware, Oracle Software, Network and security Hardware and Software, and the Oracle Cloud Software. The hardware is located in both the Department's Carson City and Las Vegas (Flamingo) server rooms. To-date, the purchase cost for hardware and software is $11,408,412. The cost breakdown is as follows: 1. Oracle Hardware - $3,000,000 2. Oracle Software - $5,900,000 3. Oracle Cloud Subscription - $618,000 4. Security-Network software and hardware - $1,890,412 Total Costs $11,408,412" http://budget.nv.gov/uploadedFiles/budgetnvgov/content/Meetings/Board_of_Examiners/2016/April_Complete.pdf http://budget.nv.gov/uploadedFiles/budgetnvgov/content/Meeti... Page 262. "This is a new contract to provide, design and implement a new system to replace the existing and aging client server application. The modernization of the current system will provide better customer service, reduce transaction processing time, increase speed-to-market of NV DMV products and services, enhance security and reduce system backlog" Very clever choice of words. I'll bet the board who approved that contract didn't know they signed a contract for nothing. From their own site: https://www.techmahindra.com/media/press_releases/TechMahindra-to-modernize-the-US-State-of-Nevada-Department-MotorVehicles.aspx https://www.techmahindra.com/media/press_releases/TechMahind... "The solution will be migrated to the Oracle technology stack" So they are going to migrate 4 years worth of Dynamics customizations (which aren't even working) to the Oracle technology stack. Right. No shit they didn't even show up.

tajen 9y ago
Is this decision so bad that it’s highlighting a potential red flag for a bribe between Oracle and managers of this company? « Probable cause » warrant investigations in other areas, wondering about this one.
- us0r 9y ago
  Personally I have no doubt someone has a job offer at oracle or two people are exchanging envelopes. If the vendor suggested Oracle maybe not but since it was someone at the DMV, 100%. I'm about 90% sure Oracle isn't even fully implemented in any DMV.
  - deleted 9y ago
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inferiorhuman 9y ago
> They want something "cloud ready" yet acquired $600,000 of Oracle cloud licenses (what ever that is)? Chatting with a former coworker and apparently Oracle has their own (dysfunctional) cloud offering these days.
- megaman22 9y ago
  Yes indeed. I know a couple of Oracle salespeople, and they appear to be pushing it hard - they were giving insane incentive bonuses for selling cloud subscription signups until recently. Not sure that they're really making inroads though.
- sitharus 9y ago
  They even have a fleet of branded cars they drive around competitor's events to promote themselves: https://twitter.com/Oracle/status/935647345823309830 https://twitter.com/Oracle/status/935647345823309830 They promise to cut your Amazon bill in half. I guess they have scissors.
- thisisit 9y ago

CapacitorSet 9y ago

Unsurprisingly, the work was outsourced to an Indian company, "Tech Mahindra". Nothing against Indians as a people, but Indian outsourcing companies are known for the terrible product quality.

us0r 9y ago
My problem is the tax payer is paying $195 an hour and the Indian guy is maybe getting $5? Nevermind the tax payer getting ripped off, it just seems wrong.
- linkmotif 9y ago
  Also totally a waste practically because you get no product.
deleted 9y ago
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ehnto 9y ago
I just don't understand why public works should ever go outside of the local economy, globalisation or not. I don't just want my tax dollars to give me a new thing, I want that new thing to be built in my state. If we don't have the skillset then let that money stimulate growth there. Recently our government outsourced some naval ship building outside the country at the last moment after having expressed they were going to have them locally built. The reason for the switch was cost. To shave a million or two off the price of a many hundred million dollar project they decided to completely remove our local economy from the benefactors. Private projects? Do what you like. Global times. But a governments role is to grow the economy and welfare of its people, public works are excellent ways to stimulate that.
- mc32 9y ago
  Or local universities[1]. I think they had their then current staff train their replacements --what gall. Now, imagine if the faculty president thought "hmm, I bet we can save a bunch if we do remote teaching. We'll get super large interactive displays in every classroom and we'll have faculty in [some country] teach our students. We'll save millions!" [1]http://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/UCSF-to-outsource-dozens-of-tech-jobs-to-India-10414432.php http://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/UCSF-to-outsource...

chimeracoder 9y ago

> This one is extra bad. Not even a communication plan? They did manage to spend $13 MILLION on Oracle shit though. The best part is the solution they sold, which is not even working in New Hampshire, and was built on DynamicsCRM (not portable to oracle)... That person needs to be fired immediately and probably arrested. To be honest, as someone who lives in New York, that doesn't even sound that bad, as far as corruption in government contract goes. To give you an idea, the MTA was recently caught paying $200,000 per day to people who literally did not have any jobs to do[0]. They were able to cover this up for years, and when it was finally made public, nobody batted an eyelid because, well, this level of corruption and wasteful spending is so commonplace that nobody was surprised in the least. Hopefully Nevada has a functioning democratic government (unlike New York) and the state government decides to hold these people accountable. It's been over a month since that NYTimes piece came out, and Governor Cuomo hasn't even felt the need to respond to it - that's how little accountability our elected officials here have. [0] https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/28/nyregion/new-york-subway-construction-costs.html https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/28/nyregion/new-york-subway-...

cookiecaper 9y ago
From your link: > The labor deals negotiated between the unions and construction companies also ensure that workers are well paid. The agreement for Local 147, the union for the famed “sandhogs” who dig the tunnels, includes a pay rate for most members of $111 per hour in salary and benefits. The pay doubles for overtime or Sunday work, which is common in transit construction. Weekend overtime pays quadruple — more than $400 per hour. Wow. Seems like programming isn't a good field if you're in it for the money. The base pay may not be far off if you're a big shot superstar in a small market or normal in SV, but which of us gets 4x salary for weekend hours?
- ofcrpls 9y ago
  I am sure the workers wouldn't see much of this overtime pay as the TM would have just billed NV DMV at that rate.
acct1771 9y ago