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Clickbait - here's the original sourced article - http://www.siliconbeat.com/2018/01/29/steve-wozniak-dont-believe-anything-elon-musk-tesla-says/ http://www.sil

Clickbait - here's the original sourced article - http://www.siliconbeat.com/2018/01/29/steve-wozniak-dont-believe-anything-elon-musk-tesla-says/ http://www.siliconbeat.com/2018/01/29/steve-wozniak-dont-bel... TLDR: He likes the car (2 of them), but not the hype. I think

api 9y ago
Elon's a funny animal. Most hype artists are full of shit and never deliver anything. Elon is full of shit but then ends up actually delivering something rather amazing-- but maybe not quite as amazing as promised and never as quickly. In /r/spacex they joke about "Elon time." Take "Elon years" and triple them. Of course this is typical for engineers and Elon is an engineer. I do it too. "Oh this will just take a few weeks" == months later...
- johnchristopher 9y ago
  > In /r/spacex they joke about "Elon time." Take "Elon years" and double them. There used to be a Valve time.
  - dictum 9y ago
    "Duke Nukem Taking Forever" holds a sweet spot in my heart.
- igravious 9y ago
  > Most hype artists are full of shit and never deliver anything. Elon is full of shit but then ends up actually delivering something rather amazing-- Ergo, by your own logic, Elon is not full of shit.
  - slantyyz 9y ago
    >> Most hype artists are full of shit and never deliver anything. Elon is full of shit but then ends up actually delivering something rather amazing-- >> Ergo, by your own logic, Elon is not full of shit. The way I read what he wrote, he/she's saying Elon is a hype artist that is (full_of_shit && delivers_something) as opposed to being a hype artist that is (full_of_shit && !delivers_something) .
    - igravious 9y ago
      Okay. I kind of wish I hadn't replied in the first place but thanks for giving me an alternate reading of it :/
  - freyir 9y ago
    No, read it again: Most bullshit artists deliver nothing. Others deliver something, but not what they promised.
    - igravious 9y ago
      Yes, but they were arguing that Musk delivers what he promised although not necessarily when he promised. In that case all engineers being eternally optimistic are bullshit artists to a fault (which nobody would say they are). Anyway, it's a stupid quibble but given what Musk has achieved it's kind of irritating.
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- Outpox 9y ago
  > Of course this is typical for engineers and Elon is an engineer. He's not! This was discussed in the article comments and according to Wikipedia he have a BS in physics and another in economics. He started a PhD but quickly stopped.
  - greglindahl 9y ago
    I know a lot of people in Silicon Valley who are called engineers and only have a physics background. They aren't certified professional engineers in the disciplines that have licensing, like civil engineers, but they're still engineers.
    - JoeAltmaier 9y ago
      Used to be, a large segment of Silicon Valley 'engineers' were trained in music. Some weird overlap that worked early on, at least until the market got flooded with trained software types.
  - JoeAltmaier 9y ago
    He is. He's been performing as an Engineer for a decade. Which makes him one. Regardless of his early certification/degree.
    - notlob 9y ago
      He manages engineers, and he would seem to be quite effective at it (a rarity!), but being a highly technical manager isn’t the same as performing engineering work. Do you have a specific example in mind?
      - JoeAltmaier 9y ago
        http://www.businessinsider.com/how-elon-musk-schedules-a-typical-week-2015-5 http://www.businessinsider.com/how-elon-musk-schedules-a-typ...
        9y ago
dmix 9y ago
Still not an HN quality article IMO, seems light on content and borderline gossipy. The only interesting part was his experience with the self-driving features and comparisons to BMW/Audi, but regardless he still continues to use it, so it must not be that bad.
dang 9y ago
OK, we've changed the URL to that from https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/01/29/steve-wozniak-i-dont-believe-anything-elon-musk-or-tesla-says/ https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/01/29/steve-wozniak-i-dont-.... Since this is more of a celebrity gossip piece than one that gratifies intellectual curiosity, users correctly flagged it. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

api 9y ago

Elon's a funny animal. Most hype artists are full of shit and never deliver anything. Elon is full of shit but then ends up actually delivering something rather amazing-- but maybe not quite as amazing as promised and never as quickly. In /r/spacex they joke about "Elon time." Take "Elon years" and triple them. Of course this is typical for engineers and Elon is an engineer. I do it too. "Oh this will just take a few weeks" == months later...

johnchristopher 9y ago
> In /r/spacex they joke about "Elon time." Take "Elon years" and double them. There used to be a Valve time.
- dictum 9y ago
  "Duke Nukem Taking Forever" holds a sweet spot in my heart.
igravious 9y ago
> Most hype artists are full of shit and never deliver anything. Elon is full of shit but then ends up actually delivering something rather amazing-- Ergo, by your own logic, Elon is not full of shit.
- slantyyz 9y ago
  >> Most hype artists are full of shit and never deliver anything. Elon is full of shit but then ends up actually delivering something rather amazing-- >> Ergo, by your own logic, Elon is not full of shit. The way I read what he wrote, he/she's saying Elon is a hype artist that is (full_of_shit && delivers_something) as opposed to being a hype artist that is (full_of_shit && !delivers_something) .
  - igravious 9y ago
    Okay. I kind of wish I hadn't replied in the first place but thanks for giving me an alternate reading of it :/
- freyir 9y ago
  No, read it again: Most bullshit artists deliver nothing. Others deliver something, but not what they promised.
  - igravious 9y ago
    Yes, but they were arguing that Musk delivers what he promised although not necessarily when he promised. In that case all engineers being eternally optimistic are bullshit artists to a fault (which nobody would say they are). Anyway, it's a stupid quibble but given what Musk has achieved it's kind of irritating.
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Outpox 9y ago
> Of course this is typical for engineers and Elon is an engineer. He's not! This was discussed in the article comments and according to Wikipedia he have a BS in physics and another in economics. He started a PhD but quickly stopped.
- greglindahl 9y ago
  I know a lot of people in Silicon Valley who are called engineers and only have a physics background. They aren't certified professional engineers in the disciplines that have licensing, like civil engineers, but they're still engineers.
  - JoeAltmaier 9y ago
    Used to be, a large segment of Silicon Valley 'engineers' were trained in music. Some weird overlap that worked early on, at least until the market got flooded with trained software types.
- JoeAltmaier 9y ago
  He is. He's been performing as an Engineer for a decade. Which makes him one. Regardless of his early certification/degree.
  - notlob 9y ago
    He manages engineers, and he would seem to be quite effective at it (a rarity!), but being a highly technical manager isn’t the same as performing engineering work. Do you have a specific example in mind?
    - JoeAltmaier 9y ago
      http://www.businessinsider.com/how-elon-musk-schedules-a-typical-week-2015-5 http://www.businessinsider.com/how-elon-musk-schedules-a-typ...
      - 9y ago

dmix 9y ago

Still not an HN quality article IMO, seems light on content and borderline gossipy. The only interesting part was his experience with the self-driving features and comparisons to BMW/Audi, but regardless he still continues to use it, so it must not be that bad.

dang 9y ago

OK, we've changed the URL to that from https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/01/29/steve-wozniak-i-dont-believe-anything-elon-musk-or-tesla-says/ https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/01/29/steve-wozniak-i-dont-.... Since this is more of a celebrity gossip piece than one that gratifies intellectual curiosity, users correctly flagged it. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html