5 ms·

> the realities of student loans, an out of reach housing market, devalued college degrees, the gig economy, promises of no retirement, etc. Have you ever met

> the realities of student loans, an out of reach housing market, devalued college degrees, the gig economy, promises of no retirement, etc. Have you ever met a teenager? Almost literally zero percent of them think (or need to think) about this stuff, with the possible exception of some of the very oldest teenagers (ie, people in their first or second year of college who are starting to think about the details of the start of their careers).

bduerst 9y ago
Yeah, I feel like there's some projection going on with GP and those issues. Teenagers don't stress about mortgages or retirement.
- deleted 9y ago
  [deleted]
Namrog84 9y ago
Although they used teenager. I think most of those things probably more accurately describe a young adult
yakitori 9y ago
> Have you ever met a teenager? Yes. And we've all been teenagers. >Almost literally zero percent of them think (or need to think) about this stuff, with the possible exception of some of the very oldest teenagers (ie, people in their first or second year of college who are starting to think about the details of the start of their careers). What? EVERY teenager thinks about it. Not only that, their parents financial situations and the prospects of the future most definitely influences their outlook. What teenager doesn't talk about or think of their future? The entirety of high school is pretty much about preparing for college, finding a job, etc.
- betenoire 9y ago
  > What teenager doesn't talk about or think of their future? I don't want to get into why, but I didn't. If someone doesn't really think they have a future, what's there to think about?
- wutbrodo 9y ago
  Yes, preparing for _college_ and _finding a job_. The details of how you're going to pay your day to day are far hazier, as are things like "the gig economy" and retirement. If you were worrying about your future mortgage when you're a teenager, I can assure you you were in the minuscule minority.
watwut 9y ago
Teenagers I do know personally talk about being worried about jobs, housing, debt and general economical problems. I never start those discussions, they do.
- ams6110 9y ago
  I worried about these things as a teen over 30 years ago. No social media then. Teens worry. It's part of the awakening of adult patterns of thought.
- Spooky23 9y ago
  That sounds like a branch of the problem being discussed here. If you’re 16 and worried about housing options, something is wrong imo.
  - watwut 9y ago
    I strongly disagree. If you are 16 and it seems like you won't be able to get living and there is stigma attached to living with parents, worrying about it is sign that you think about world around you. That is healthy. 16 years old are not necessary movie dumbos. It is time when people form opinions and think a lot. The result does not have to be hapiness, if indeed expectations on you and your possibilities don't match.
  - newfoundglory 9y ago
    Well, yea. The housing market is super fucked up, that’s what’s wrong.
    - abusoufiyan 9y ago
      I guess but why would teenagers of all people care about this? You don't need a house. Many of the kids I knew growing up lived in apartments. If they lived in a house they could inherit it from their parents. Why is the housing market something children worry about?
      - 9y ago
ben_w 9y ago
When I was a teenager I didn’t think further than 5 years ahead. I did however write goth poetry, become Wiccan (and thus got all mopey about being at a Catholic school), get upset how unfair it was that UK law looked down on my sexuality (it had not yet equalised the gay and straight ages of consent), and frustrated how ridiculous it was for the Prime Minister to veto every EU thing he could in protest against the BSE-related ban on British beef. Ended up writing loads of letters to newspapers about politics of the day before internet comments were a big thing, then going to university really worried if my student loan would cover everything.
MBCook 9y ago
Their parents would have been very stressed and the kids would have unconsciously picked up on it.
hrktb 9y ago
Teenagers might not think in these terms, but their parents do. Aside from parents directly projecting their vision on children, kids can read anxiety or stress from their parents and be ‘contamined’ by these feelings.
- wutbrodo 9y ago
  Right, absolutely. That's a different claim from the GP comment, and a reasonable one. The authors noted that the symptoms were independent of economic indicators. Now obviously this study is an initial result, and thus fairly preliminary (if you believe any effect in social science after a single study, you haven't been paying attention). But it's not like this is a rebuttal of the study's claims.
newfoundglory 9y ago
You must have known a mindless set of teenagers. When I was a teenager people actively talked about their resentment that arts and humanities were not going to get them a well paying job and society was biased in favor of people like me who found math and science easy. And this would have been tenth grade, if not earlier. Edit: for historical context, this was nearly two decades ago and nobody had either a mobile phone or a Facebook account

bduerst 9y ago

Yeah, I feel like there's some projection going on with GP and those issues. Teenagers don't stress about mortgages or retirement.

deleted 9y ago
[deleted]

Namrog84 9y ago

Although they used teenager. I think most of those things probably more accurately describe a young adult

yakitori 9y ago

> Have you ever met a teenager? Yes. And we've all been teenagers. >Almost literally zero percent of them think (or need to think) about this stuff, with the possible exception of some of the very oldest teenagers (ie, people in their first or second year of college who are starting to think about the details of the start of their careers). What? EVERY teenager thinks about it. Not only that, their parents financial situations and the prospects of the future most definitely influences their outlook. What teenager doesn't talk about or think of their future? The entirety of high school is pretty much about preparing for college, finding a job, etc.

betenoire 9y ago
> What teenager doesn't talk about or think of their future? I don't want to get into why, but I didn't. If someone doesn't really think they have a future, what's there to think about?
wutbrodo 9y ago
Yes, preparing for _college_ and _finding a job_. The details of how you're going to pay your day to day are far hazier, as are things like "the gig economy" and retirement. If you were worrying about your future mortgage when you're a teenager, I can assure you you were in the minuscule minority.

watwut 9y ago

Teenagers I do know personally talk about being worried about jobs, housing, debt and general economical problems. I never start those discussions, they do.

ams6110 9y ago
I worried about these things as a teen over 30 years ago. No social media then. Teens worry. It's part of the awakening of adult patterns of thought.
Spooky23 9y ago
That sounds like a branch of the problem being discussed here. If you’re 16 and worried about housing options, something is wrong imo.
- watwut 9y ago
  I strongly disagree. If you are 16 and it seems like you won't be able to get living and there is stigma attached to living with parents, worrying about it is sign that you think about world around you. That is healthy. 16 years old are not necessary movie dumbos. It is time when people form opinions and think a lot. The result does not have to be hapiness, if indeed expectations on you and your possibilities don't match.
- newfoundglory 9y ago
  Well, yea. The housing market is super fucked up, that’s what’s wrong.
  - abusoufiyan 9y ago
    I guess but why would teenagers of all people care about this? You don't need a house. Many of the kids I knew growing up lived in apartments. If they lived in a house they could inherit it from their parents. Why is the housing market something children worry about?
    - 9y ago

ben_w 9y ago

When I was a teenager I didn’t think further than 5 years ahead. I did however write goth poetry, become Wiccan (and thus got all mopey about being at a Catholic school), get upset how unfair it was that UK law looked down on my sexuality (it had not yet equalised the gay and straight ages of consent), and frustrated how ridiculous it was for the Prime Minister to veto every EU thing he could in protest against the BSE-related ban on British beef. Ended up writing loads of letters to newspapers about politics of the day before internet comments were a big thing, then going to university really worried if my student loan would cover everything.

MBCook 9y ago

Their parents would have been very stressed and the kids would have unconsciously picked up on it.

hrktb 9y ago

Teenagers might not think in these terms, but their parents do. Aside from parents directly projecting their vision on children, kids can read anxiety or stress from their parents and be ‘contamined’ by these feelings.

wutbrodo 9y ago
Right, absolutely. That's a different claim from the GP comment, and a reasonable one. The authors noted that the symptoms were independent of economic indicators. Now obviously this study is an initial result, and thus fairly preliminary (if you believe any effect in social science after a single study, you haven't been paying attention). But it's not like this is a rebuttal of the study's claims.

newfoundglory 9y ago

You must have known a mindless set of teenagers. When I was a teenager people actively talked about their resentment that arts and humanities were not going to get them a well paying job and society was biased in favor of people like me who found math and science easy. And this would have been tenth grade, if not earlier. Edit: for historical context, this was nearly two decades ago and nobody had either a mobile phone or a Facebook account