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I don't know but probably even the "dumbness" between a bot and a human could be detected. I don't really know what will be actual dynamics of the interaction.

I don't know but probably even the "dumbness" between a bot and a human could be detected. I don't really know what will be actual dynamics of the interaction. If your bot starts making the same "dumb" conversations again and again, it will start being detected (because after the chat, a human gets feedback via points whether he was right or wrong).

jacquesm 16y ago
Ah, but again we can reverse it, as a human I could do that on purpose too, and so on. Or am I misunderstanding you and are all the bots to be provided by the site owners? (I figured from your description that you can sign up with a bot or as a human). The Turing test is a brilliant device because it is so hard to create something that will be able to pass it without actually being intelligent.
- paraschopra 16y ago
  You are correct, you can either provide or a bot or take part as a human. My argument is that genuine dumbness of chatbots may not be replicable by by humans. The whole logic of game is that the human who is able to emulate a bot wins, so if you are successfully being too dumb and go undetected as a human, you win! I think I figure your point, and yes the basic assumption is that all bots should be semi-intelligent. The whole game will become uninteresting if every just says "ABC.ABC.". I think we need a caveat or eligibility criteria to take care of that.
  - joe_the_user 16y ago
    Any game with such an eligibility criteria is pretty much unstable. Winning would come down to seeing how well you could skirt the criteria, since "dumb but not too dumb" is inherently fuzzy.
  - jacquesm 16y ago
    You got it :) Thanks, it sounds really interesting by the way, I hope that you follow through on it, I'll definitely participate (with a bot, that's the fun bit I think).
    - paraschopra 16y ago
      Yup, will definitely code a prototype and link up some open source chatbots. On the other hand, I think being a human participant will be the fun bit :)

jacquesm 16y ago

Ah, but again we can reverse it, as a human I could do that on purpose too, and so on. Or am I misunderstanding you and are all the bots to be provided by the site owners? (I figured from your description that you can sign up with a bot or as a human). The Turing test is a brilliant device because it is so hard to create something that will be able to pass it without actually being intelligent.

paraschopra 16y ago
You are correct, you can either provide or a bot or take part as a human. My argument is that genuine dumbness of chatbots may not be replicable by by humans. The whole logic of game is that the human who is able to emulate a bot wins, so if you are successfully being too dumb and go undetected as a human, you win! I think I figure your point, and yes the basic assumption is that all bots should be semi-intelligent. The whole game will become uninteresting if every just says "ABC.ABC.". I think we need a caveat or eligibility criteria to take care of that.
- joe_the_user 16y ago
  Any game with such an eligibility criteria is pretty much unstable. Winning would come down to seeing how well you could skirt the criteria, since "dumb but not too dumb" is inherently fuzzy.
- jacquesm 16y ago
  You got it :) Thanks, it sounds really interesting by the way, I hope that you follow through on it, I'll definitely participate (with a bot, that's the fun bit I think).
  - paraschopra 16y ago
    Yup, will definitely code a prototype and link up some open source chatbots. On the other hand, I think being a human participant will be the fun bit :)