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Your comment is incredibly mean. Mozilla isn't competing with other "charities", they are competing with Google, Apple and Microsoft, the world's largest corpor
by bad_user 9y ago
Your comment is incredibly mean. Mozilla isn't competing with other "charities", they are competing with Google, Apple and Microsoft, the world's largest corporations.
The Mozilla Foundation might be a not-for-profit corporation, but they have the same constraints as normal businesses ... they have to secure reliable sources of funding, they have to preserve their resources, they have to be smart about investments, they have to pay salaries because people need to put food on the table and they have to plan further than the next quarter.
And given the incredible progress of Firefox, I for one am glad that they've cut unproductive projects.
The current Thunderbird is terrible. It has been a good browser, it might still have life in it, its developers might manage to evolve it and make it awesome, however I haven't been able to use it for more than a week and believe me, I tried doing so, repeatedly.
I was sad to hear that Mozilla is dropping it, but then again, when I heard this news, I was already long gone as a user. Nowadays I'm split between FastMail's and Gmail's web interfaces and MailMate (freron.com), all of which are so much better for my needs, the difference ain't even funny.
Seriously, a web interface and a desktop client made by one guy from Denmark are better than Thunderbird. Thunderbird basically needs a complete overhaul, but then ask its 25 million users how they feel about that, after all, if they wouldn't want the current Thunderbird, they would've switched to something else.
- mixmastamyk 9y agoEither TB has been critically underfunded or it hasn’t.
- titanix2 9y agoThey are not competing against Google, they live mainly from their funding. With the rise a Chrome and the fall of Firefox, I wounder why Google is still giving them money. Maybe the PR loss from pulling the plug would still be too big?
- the-dude 9y agoThe best way to control your opposition is to organize it.
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- pbhjpbhj 9y agoPerhaps that's the problem. Why are they "competing". Surely the facts of being a charitable organisation should make their focus working for the charitable aims rather than competing with anyone. >The current Thunderbird is terrible. // What cross-platform desktop clients are better [I note MailMate is Mac only]. I use a mix of webmail (Outlook, Horde on private server), and Thunderbird (connecting to IMAP accounts) and can't say it's that different an experience for me; it does seem very sub-optimal however. How many full time devs work on TB?
- aidenn0 9y agoIMO claws-mail is better than thunderbird for e-mail.
- ShabbosGoy 9y agoPine is better than Thunderbird at this point.
- pbhjpbhj 9y agoPerhaps I'll go with mutt again?
- slrz 9y agoYou probably should. Unless you manage to find some other, more modern, MUA that you can programmatically integrate with your development workflow and that handles large volumes of mail without slowing to a crawl. Then use that, and please tell me about it.
- pbhjpbhj 9y agoAny specific features you believe makes it better than TB? First impressions aren't great -- is Claws an "email should be text only" advocate? -- brief look and the default mail format being non-standard; and all the screenshots on the website showing text only emails; tools including a special script to order threads by date (how else would you order them?); and the latest amendments to those scripts being over a year old; most recent theme links to a website that's offline. ...um, the downloads are from a server without a cert (cert is self-signed for a different domain; and their bugzilla is http only too), think that's a nope from me. Not because of the cert exactly but because not getting that write for a group that are supposed to be dealing in internet security seems like an indication of neglect.