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The UX of AI

193 points by dsr12 9y ago

chriszelazo 9y ago
We are still in the nascent stages of AI UX. I’m excited to see where it goes
lustig 9y ago
So they are basically creating that creepy life recording product from S01E03 of black mirror?
- TuringTest 9y ago
  No, they're planting a creepy artificial intelligence on top of Black Mirror's life recording product.
AIrabuYU 9y ago
What if the people I'm familiar with is the entire population of the country?
- H4CK3RM4N 9y ago
  Well then the AI will help you capture every moment you care about.
TuringTest 9y ago
Regarding the interaction of AI and user experience, I like to use the spell checker as example. Think what it means that a black-box process looks over every one of your actions, sometimes deciding to "correct" some of them, more or less silently. Now think what it would be like if you couldn't see the list of alternatives that the AI is considering, and that you couldn't fix the mistakes made by the corrector. Until we get person-like "hard" Artificial Intelligence, the desired model for AI is having a way to inspect all the possible alternate decisions that could be taken, and most important, having the possibility that a human overrides any one of those automated decisions (to the point of safely disabling the whole system in extreme cases).
- TeMPOraL 9y ago
  Oh yes. Reminds me of a recent observation by Scott Alexander: Dear @apple - your OS has a global spellcheck that autocorrects names of medications to names of different medications, eg "duloxetine" to "fluoxetine", without telling the user. Some clinics inexplicably continue to use MacBooks. Please fix this before someone gets hurt. (https://twitter.com/slatestarcodex/status/944739157988974592 https://twitter.com/slatestarcodex/status/944739157988974592) There's nothing more infuriating than a system that "knows better" and which you can't override (and have the override stick). Today's spellcheckers generally break whenever what you're writing isn't in single language, using common words. Which, for me, means pretty much all the time - since most of my chats and documents I write involve mixed Polish/English with domain-specific vocabulary. And even if we had General-AI-powered spellcheckers, there still would be a need to tell them no - after all, my spelling might be bad, but I might be making an explicit stylistic choice. AI systems need not remove user's agency or control from the process.
  - gregknicholson 9y ago
    MacOS is a service provided by Apple, not a tool that you control. AI could be a very useful tool, but it's a very scary service.
    - TeMPOraL 9y ago
      Which is why I hate the very concept of Software as a Service.
- xg15 9y ago
  Incidentally, we wouldn't even tolerate this kind of behavior with humans (or expect it to work). Imagine if you wrote a book and the publisher assigned an editor before publication - an editor who knows nothing about the specifics of your book, who you're not allowed to talk with, who can make arbitrary changes to your book and whose decisions will be final. You'd rightfully be outraged at that situation. Yet if the editor is an even less understanding computer program it seems to be generally accepted.
nukeop 9y ago
It looks like it's just a way of reassuring the "common people" that all AI systems are good, under human control, and helpful. Google's AI is often centered on surveillance, profiling, marketing, and exploitation. We are being spammed with pictures and videos of happy people playing with children and animals so that we learn to associate AI, and Google's AI in particular with happiness and innocence, while it is simply a very powerful and unimaginably advanced tool of corporate oppression. I found a lot of factually incorrect statements in that article. Such as: "If a human can’t perform the task, then neither can an AI." Don't we create AI systems to solve problems human cannot all the time?
- RyanZAG 9y ago
  I'd guess the correct form of that statement should be: "If a human can't theoretically perform the task with a lot of time and a pocket calculator, then neither can an AI." But it's not really saying much as that applies to almost everything. As for the core idea of designing AI UX better to get people to trust it - maybe put a list of all the data being collected and stored up front, and make it possible for the user to easily and permanently delete specific data while still allowing them to use the system. Also an explanation of actions taken: "the system took this photograph because 76% of testers found photographs with these particular features (high light level, human looking at camera, action) to be desired." You could probably trace your dataset back to these features by collecting all the photos from training that matched to those features and manually labeling them. In short: un-black-boxify your UX.
  - nicky0 9y ago
    I think you have it backwards there. Computers can already perform all sorts of calculations that a human can't. AI aims to make computers solve problems that currently only humans can.
  - gregknicholson 9y ago
    > un-black-boxify your UX I thought the whole point of AI was that the program itself is effectively a black box, even to the programmers. They ask a neural network to solve a problem; it tries repeatedly until it succeeds. The algorithm it arrives at is not necessarily sufficiently simple that a human could understand it, even given the source code. The problem isn't just that Google won't tell the user how their software works; that's nothing new. The scary thing is that even Google doesn't understand how their software works; they just know that it does seem to work most of the time. Hopefully I've misunderstood completely, and we're not entering an age of “the algorithm (that we don't fully understand but is extremely useful most of the time) says so, and we shouldn't question its authority”.
chris__butters 9y ago
Are Google still trying to brainwash everyone into trusting them? I find it funny when they are the ones who, if they could, would track our every movement to then try and sell us something? I can understand the fact that while ML/AI are still fairly closed off systems as they are not understood by the general population that having someone with UX skills to be able to better design the interactions and help people trust AI/ML products (preferably not developed by Google)
titzer 9y ago
I'm extremely cynical and distrustful of AI-first. I don't accept the three "truths" FTA: >>>>> We developed the following truths as anchors for why it’s so important to take a human-centered approach to building products and systems powered by ML: 1.) Machine learning won’t figure out what problems to solve. If you aren’t aligned with a human need, you’re just going to build a very powerful system to address a very small—or perhaps nonexistent—problem. 2.) If the goals of an AI system are opaque, and the user’s understanding of their role in calibrating that system are unclear, they will develop a mental model that suits their folk theories about AI, and their trust will be affected. 3.) In order to thrive, machine learning must become multi-disciplinary. It's as much–if not more so—a social systems challenge as it's a technical one. Machine learning is the science of making predictions based on patterns and relationships that've been automatically discovered in data. The job of an ML model is to figure out just how wrong it can be about the importance of those patterns in order to be as right as possible as often as possible. But it doesn't perorm [sic] this task alone. Every facet of ML is fueled and mediated by human judgement; from the idea to develop a model in the first place, to the sources of data chosen to train from, to the sample data itself and the methods and labels used to describe it, all the way to the success criteria for the aforementioned wrongness and rightness. Suffice to say, the UX axiom “you are not the user” is more important than ever. <<<<< My take: 1. I like the "human-centric" AI goal, but in the end we're inevitably going to move slow, faulty humans out of the loop. No matter how "thoughtful" we are along the way, the inevitable result is that we always want to take humans out of the loop to save money and avoid hard work and instead automate it away, because of sheer economics. It's a mistake to think AI is not going to figure out what problems to solve, or that we are not going to let AI make its own goals (it already makes its own subgoals at multiple levels). We are continually incapable of figuring out what problems to work on. While the planet warms up, we waste energy on cryptocurrency bubbles. While the ocean fills up with trash we make chat apps and self-driving cars and better smartphones. These decisions are dumb. We'll eventually realize that we suck at focusing on the right problems and put AI into the decision making processes. Worse, we'll want to (stupidly, IMO) pursue artificial general intelligence to do that. Each step we get closer we'll just hope for more and better outcomes from the AIs, and cede more and more decisions to the AIs. And then one day we'll find it's terrifying to have an inscrutable AI develop its own goals at a superhuman pace. 2. AI's goals are always opaque. Especially when that AI system is run by a massive opaque for-profit corporation. We all know what such corporation's ultimate goals are: make as much money for shareholders as possible. It's great that we tell ourselves stories about how awesome AI is for people, but make no mistake, AI is just the latest weapon in the ever-escalating pursuit of perpetual exponential growth. Who the hell knows what its goals will be in the end. 3. This is an unparseable smokescreen going in six directions at once. Translation: we have no idea what we are doing or why, or whether it is going to work. But we are committed to it, and we're full of a blind faith in technology. Maybe if we had more Sociologists it will work?
Insanity 9y ago
To be honest, whilst reading this article I was more "shocked" by this 'clip' and it kind of took away from the information they were trying to convey. This looks creepy to me, and I probably would not trust the device enough to use it for important moments. And for the not-so-important moments I really don't need pictures of videos. I realise the point of this article was not really this specific product, but damn, it did take my focus away from the content.
austincheney 9y ago
> If you aren’t aligned with a human need, you’re just going to build a very powerful system to address a very small — or perhaps nonexistent — problem. A common theme in AI research from major software companies who are throwing thousands of developers and billions of dollars at this. AI isn't a giant monolithic application like a search engine. So long as the vision of AI remain around single, closed, data-oriented, monolithic applications AI will continue to be as impressive as it is now. It will get faster as the hardware gets faster, but it won't be what tech evangelists are hyping it up to be.
xg15 9y ago
I'm actually kind of impressed by this bit: > What if we could build a product that helped us be more in-the-moment with the people we care about? What if we could actually be in the photos, instead of always behind the camera? What if we could go back in time and take the photographs we would have taken, without having had to stop, take out a phone, swipe open the camera, compose the shot, and disrupt the moment? And, what if we could have a photographer by our side to capture more of those authentic and genuine moments of life, such as my child’s real smile? Those moments which often feel impossible to capture even if one is always behind the camera. That’s what we set out to build. They are really taking the growing worries around ubiquitous smartphone usage and try to spin them into an argument for having your whole life constantly recorded by a camera. That's some next-level PR skills right there.
- PuffinBlue 9y ago
  I'm realising that The Circle was documentary not parody.
  - mark_l_watson 9y ago
    That was a great book (movie was good also). It will be “interesting” to see how the world will change over the coming decades, good and bad effects of technology. I am in my mid 60s. From my point of view, the acceleration of technological improvements is geometric and life feels different as each new wave of technology changes our lives. I started using computers by entering programs in octal after hand assembly and now I occasionally run jobs using thousands of CPU cores.
- ocdtrekkie 9y ago
  Google's PR department is hands-down incredible. It accomplishes Steve Jobs level marketing miracles on a daily basis. The difference between Google and Comcast is effectively the quality of their PR department, which should help quantify how effing amazing their PR department is.
ACow_Adonis 9y ago
"If you aren’t aligned with a human need, you’re just going to build a very powerful system to address a very small — or perhaps nonexistent — problem." I'm guessing a desire to avoid advertising or a certain corporation's tracking and holding data on me and my family isn't going to be deemed a sufficient human need :P Additionally, like Facebook, I have no choice because even if I opt out (which I can't do without already opting in), someone else out there taking video and photos and including me opts me in regardless of my feelings. And yet, apparently cameras and video analysis with the convenient side effect of tracking and identifying me and my loved ones to produce even more Facebook-wall worthy images is a human need. A cynic (realist) might observe these principals aren't enough to stop one working on a very powerful but non-existent problem that not only doesn't meet the real human need, but might actually be, in overall summation, detrimental :(
restlessmedia 9y ago
Quite surprised at the use of gifs on this page, just the images weigh in at 92MB.
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mark_l_watson 9y ago
I liked the article. I have worked in the field of AI since the 1980s and this article gave me a different perspective. Of course the elephant in the room is privacy concerns. It concerns me that Facebook and Google track our actions in ways that we can’t really opt out of. Facebook is worse. As a decades long supported of the FSF, ACLU, and EFF my attitude has changed. I still occasionally donate to these organizations because they push back for our benefit, but, I live and work in a digital world and I want to be as effective as possible in that world. Google Assistant helps me getting stuff done in ways that Apple’s privacy respecting Siri can’t do because of the information Google has. I would love to own the camera showcased in this article and at family and other social events get a few good pictures at the end of the day without having to think about taking pictures. People get to make their own choices and for myself I mostly use duck-duck-go and a VPN so Verizon does not have my web history, but I compromise on using select Google Services.
Scea91 9y ago
> If a human can’t perform the task, then neither can an AI. False. I am applying machine learning to network security. The data are basically incomprehensible to a human but AI is quite able to find patterns in those huge amounts of data.
- JepZ 9y ago
  Yeah, that statement sounds so arrogant coming from a human...
- ccozan 9y ago
  Indeed. Human body has limitations. Maybe imagination which is considered limitless. But, next use case: No human can sustain ~10G for more than a few seconds [0] and pilot anything that flies. An sufficient AI for flying has no issue in any G. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G-force#Human_tolerance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G-force#Human_tolerance
deanCommie 9y ago
I use Google Photos to back up all my cell phone camera photos. It automatically generates galleries from trips I make, and selects the "best" photos. I still review them, and decide if I agree on Google's ML agorithm's opinion of best (from a series of snaps of someone's face or a landscape) While it's really good at removing blurry shots, aligning crooked ones, and discarding those where someone half-blinked, it cannot AT ALL tell the difference between a weird interesting endearing facial expression and a weird strange off-putting facial expression. And that's because the real data is not in the image. It's in the personality that I know of the person. A picture of a person smiling who I know is dour or unhappy is the one I want. Meanwhile for a person who's incredibly photogenic and always has a flawless smile - but is usually consistent and bordering on insincere - I'd prefer a candid shot where they're not looking their best - but the real personality that maybe only I know of them is shining through. These are not objective truths. My favourite photos of my wife are ones she hates. And it's not even about having a different SELF-image from those that others have of you - we also like different photos of our dog, and of our mutual friends. No ML model will be able to pick that, and unfortunately this isn't just a case of "let's give them more data and wait". If we trust the algorithms to make these decisions for us, we will just encourage the rounding of all the uneven edges of our world until we settle on a bland average existence where everyone has the same idea of what a "cute baby" looks like. This is already happening with information bubbles on Facebook and Twitter. The trend needs to be reversed, not doubled-down on.
- wyager 9y ago
  > No ML model will be able to pick that Everything you described actually sounds like a pretty straightforward challenge for ML; do online learning for preferred subject/expression pairs on a per-user basis.
  - xg15 9y ago
    Nope. If Katie once made a funny face because some situation on their trip to paris was hilarious, that doesn't mean I always/only want pictures of her where she makes that same funny face for the rest of my life.
JoeDaDude 9y ago
Re: the kid with the basketball. How is this the best photo? The AI chose a picture centered on the basketball, but which trimmed off the top of the child's head.
vadimberman 9y ago
> If you aren’t aligned with a human need, you’re just going to build a very powerful system to address a very small — or perhaps nonexistent — problem. If you have to "align with a human need" and that problem is not obvious, this sounds like a solution looking for a problem.
realworldview 9y ago
More ads from the ad company. yawn
Siecje 9y ago
Is the clips still for sale?
frostburg 9y ago
Besides the PR, even the purported goal is less than worthless. Clearly what photography needs is more banal snapshooting, now with editorializing AI enforcing utter conformity.

The UX of AI

193 points by dsr12 9y ago

chriszelazo 9y ago

We are still in the nascent stages of AI UX. I’m excited to see where it goes

lustig 9y ago

So they are basically creating that creepy life recording product from S01E03 of black mirror?

TuringTest 9y ago
No, they're planting a creepy artificial intelligence on top of Black Mirror's life recording product.

AIrabuYU 9y ago

What if the people I'm familiar with is the entire population of the country?

H4CK3RM4N 9y ago
Well then the AI will help you capture every moment you care about.

TuringTest 9y ago

Regarding the interaction of AI and user experience, I like to use the spell checker as example. Think what it means that a black-box process looks over every one of your actions, sometimes deciding to "correct" some of them, more or less silently. Now think what it would be like if you couldn't see the list of alternatives that the AI is considering, and that you couldn't fix the mistakes made by the corrector. Until we get person-like "hard" Artificial Intelligence, the desired model for AI is having a way to inspect all the possible alternate decisions that could be taken, and most important, having the possibility that a human overrides any one of those automated decisions (to the point of safely disabling the whole system in extreme cases).

TeMPOraL 9y ago
Oh yes. Reminds me of a recent observation by Scott Alexander: Dear @apple - your OS has a global spellcheck that autocorrects names of medications to names of different medications, eg "duloxetine" to "fluoxetine", without telling the user. Some clinics inexplicably continue to use MacBooks. Please fix this before someone gets hurt. (https://twitter.com/slatestarcodex/status/944739157988974592 https://twitter.com/slatestarcodex/status/944739157988974592) There's nothing more infuriating than a system that "knows better" and which you can't override (and have the override stick). Today's spellcheckers generally break whenever what you're writing isn't in single language, using common words. Which, for me, means pretty much all the time - since most of my chats and documents I write involve mixed Polish/English with domain-specific vocabulary. And even if we had General-AI-powered spellcheckers, there still would be a need to tell them no - after all, my spelling might be bad, but I might be making an explicit stylistic choice. AI systems need not remove user's agency or control from the process.
- gregknicholson 9y ago
  MacOS is a service provided by Apple, not a tool that you control. AI could be a very useful tool, but it's a very scary service.
  - TeMPOraL 9y ago
    Which is why I hate the very concept of Software as a Service.
xg15 9y ago
Incidentally, we wouldn't even tolerate this kind of behavior with humans (or expect it to work). Imagine if you wrote a book and the publisher assigned an editor before publication - an editor who knows nothing about the specifics of your book, who you're not allowed to talk with, who can make arbitrary changes to your book and whose decisions will be final. You'd rightfully be outraged at that situation. Yet if the editor is an even less understanding computer program it seems to be generally accepted.

nukeop 9y ago

It looks like it's just a way of reassuring the "common people" that all AI systems are good, under human control, and helpful. Google's AI is often centered on surveillance, profiling, marketing, and exploitation. We are being spammed with pictures and videos of happy people playing with children and animals so that we learn to associate AI, and Google's AI in particular with happiness and innocence, while it is simply a very powerful and unimaginably advanced tool of corporate oppression. I found a lot of factually incorrect statements in that article. Such as: "If a human can’t perform the task, then neither can an AI." Don't we create AI systems to solve problems human cannot all the time?

RyanZAG 9y ago
I'd guess the correct form of that statement should be: "If a human can't theoretically perform the task with a lot of time and a pocket calculator, then neither can an AI." But it's not really saying much as that applies to almost everything. As for the core idea of designing AI UX better to get people to trust it - maybe put a list of all the data being collected and stored up front, and make it possible for the user to easily and permanently delete specific data while still allowing them to use the system. Also an explanation of actions taken: "the system took this photograph because 76% of testers found photographs with these particular features (high light level, human looking at camera, action) to be desired." You could probably trace your dataset back to these features by collecting all the photos from training that matched to those features and manually labeling them. In short: un-black-boxify your UX.
- nicky0 9y ago
  I think you have it backwards there. Computers can already perform all sorts of calculations that a human can't. AI aims to make computers solve problems that currently only humans can.
- gregknicholson 9y ago
  > un-black-boxify your UX I thought the whole point of AI was that the program itself is effectively a black box, even to the programmers. They ask a neural network to solve a problem; it tries repeatedly until it succeeds. The algorithm it arrives at is not necessarily sufficiently simple that a human could understand it, even given the source code. The problem isn't just that Google won't tell the user how their software works; that's nothing new. The scary thing is that even Google doesn't understand how their software works; they just know that it does seem to work most of the time. Hopefully I've misunderstood completely, and we're not entering an age of “the algorithm (that we don't fully understand but is extremely useful most of the time) says so, and we shouldn't question its authority”.

chris__butters 9y ago

Are Google still trying to brainwash everyone into trusting them? I find it funny when they are the ones who, if they could, would track our every movement to then try and sell us something? I can understand the fact that while ML/AI are still fairly closed off systems as they are not understood by the general population that having someone with UX skills to be able to better design the interactions and help people trust AI/ML products (preferably not developed by Google)

titzer 9y ago

I'm extremely cynical and distrustful of AI-first. I don't accept the three "truths" FTA: >>>>> We developed the following truths as anchors for why it’s so important to take a human-centered approach to building products and systems powered by ML: 1.) Machine learning won’t figure out what problems to solve. If you aren’t aligned with a human need, you’re just going to build a very powerful system to address a very small—or perhaps nonexistent—problem. 2.) If the goals of an AI system are opaque, and the user’s understanding of their role in calibrating that system are unclear, they will develop a mental model that suits their folk theories about AI, and their trust will be affected. 3.) In order to thrive, machine learning must become multi-disciplinary. It's as much–if not more so—a social systems challenge as it's a technical one. Machine learning is the science of making predictions based on patterns and relationships that've been automatically discovered in data. The job of an ML model is to figure out just how wrong it can be about the importance of those patterns in order to be as right as possible as often as possible. But it doesn't perorm [sic] this task alone. Every facet of ML is fueled and mediated by human judgement; from the idea to develop a model in the first place, to the sources of data chosen to train from, to the sample data itself and the methods and labels used to describe it, all the way to the success criteria for the aforementioned wrongness and rightness. Suffice to say, the UX axiom “you are not the user” is more important than ever. <<<<< My take: 1. I like the "human-centric" AI goal, but in the end we're inevitably going to move slow, faulty humans out of the loop. No matter how "thoughtful" we are along the way, the inevitable result is that we always want to take humans out of the loop to save money and avoid hard work and instead automate it away, because of sheer economics. It's a mistake to think AI is not going to figure out what problems to solve, or that we are not going to let AI make its own goals (it already makes its own subgoals at multiple levels). We are continually incapable of figuring out what problems to work on. While the planet warms up, we waste energy on cryptocurrency bubbles. While the ocean fills up with trash we make chat apps and self-driving cars and better smartphones. These decisions are dumb. We'll eventually realize that we suck at focusing on the right problems and put AI into the decision making processes. Worse, we'll want to (stupidly, IMO) pursue artificial general intelligence to do that. Each step we get closer we'll just hope for more and better outcomes from the AIs, and cede more and more decisions to the AIs. And then one day we'll find it's terrifying to have an inscrutable AI develop its own goals at a superhuman pace. 2. AI's goals are always opaque. Especially when that AI system is run by a massive opaque for-profit corporation. We all know what such corporation's ultimate goals are: make as much money for shareholders as possible. It's great that we tell ourselves stories about how awesome AI is for people, but make no mistake, AI is just the latest weapon in the ever-escalating pursuit of perpetual exponential growth. Who the hell knows what its goals will be in the end. 3. This is an unparseable smokescreen going in six directions at once. Translation: we have no idea what we are doing or why, or whether it is going to work. But we are committed to it, and we're full of a blind faith in technology. Maybe if we had more Sociologists it will work?

Insanity 9y ago

To be honest, whilst reading this article I was more "shocked" by this 'clip' and it kind of took away from the information they were trying to convey. This looks creepy to me, and I probably would not trust the device enough to use it for important moments. And for the not-so-important moments I really don't need pictures of videos. I realise the point of this article was not really this specific product, but damn, it did take my focus away from the content.

austincheney 9y ago

> If you aren’t aligned with a human need, you’re just going to build a very powerful system to address a very small — or perhaps nonexistent — problem. A common theme in AI research from major software companies who are throwing thousands of developers and billions of dollars at this. AI isn't a giant monolithic application like a search engine. So long as the vision of AI remain around single, closed, data-oriented, monolithic applications AI will continue to be as impressive as it is now. It will get faster as the hardware gets faster, but it won't be what tech evangelists are hyping it up to be.

xg15 9y ago

I'm actually kind of impressed by this bit: > What if we could build a product that helped us be more in-the-moment with the people we care about? What if we could actually be in the photos, instead of always behind the camera? What if we could go back in time and take the photographs we would have taken, without having had to stop, take out a phone, swipe open the camera, compose the shot, and disrupt the moment? And, what if we could have a photographer by our side to capture more of those authentic and genuine moments of life, such as my child’s real smile? Those moments which often feel impossible to capture even if one is always behind the camera. That’s what we set out to build. They are really taking the growing worries around ubiquitous smartphone usage and try to spin them into an argument for having your whole life constantly recorded by a camera. That's some next-level PR skills right there.

PuffinBlue 9y ago
I'm realising that The Circle was documentary not parody.
- mark_l_watson 9y ago
  That was a great book (movie was good also). It will be “interesting” to see how the world will change over the coming decades, good and bad effects of technology. I am in my mid 60s. From my point of view, the acceleration of technological improvements is geometric and life feels different as each new wave of technology changes our lives. I started using computers by entering programs in octal after hand assembly and now I occasionally run jobs using thousands of CPU cores.
ocdtrekkie 9y ago
Google's PR department is hands-down incredible. It accomplishes Steve Jobs level marketing miracles on a daily basis. The difference between Google and Comcast is effectively the quality of their PR department, which should help quantify how effing amazing their PR department is.

ACow_Adonis 9y ago

"If you aren’t aligned with a human need, you’re just going to build a very powerful system to address a very small — or perhaps nonexistent — problem." I'm guessing a desire to avoid advertising or a certain corporation's tracking and holding data on me and my family isn't going to be deemed a sufficient human need :P Additionally, like Facebook, I have no choice because even if I opt out (which I can't do without already opting in), someone else out there taking video and photos and including me opts me in regardless of my feelings. And yet, apparently cameras and video analysis with the convenient side effect of tracking and identifying me and my loved ones to produce even more Facebook-wall worthy images is a human need. A cynic (realist) might observe these principals aren't enough to stop one working on a very powerful but non-existent problem that not only doesn't meet the real human need, but might actually be, in overall summation, detrimental :(

restlessmedia 9y ago

Quite surprised at the use of gifs on this page, just the images weigh in at 92MB.

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mark_l_watson 9y ago

I liked the article. I have worked in the field of AI since the 1980s and this article gave me a different perspective. Of course the elephant in the room is privacy concerns. It concerns me that Facebook and Google track our actions in ways that we can’t really opt out of. Facebook is worse. As a decades long supported of the FSF, ACLU, and EFF my attitude has changed. I still occasionally donate to these organizations because they push back for our benefit, but, I live and work in a digital world and I want to be as effective as possible in that world. Google Assistant helps me getting stuff done in ways that Apple’s privacy respecting Siri can’t do because of the information Google has. I would love to own the camera showcased in this article and at family and other social events get a few good pictures at the end of the day without having to think about taking pictures. People get to make their own choices and for myself I mostly use duck-duck-go and a VPN so Verizon does not have my web history, but I compromise on using select Google Services.

Scea91 9y ago

> If a human can’t perform the task, then neither can an AI. False. I am applying machine learning to network security. The data are basically incomprehensible to a human but AI is quite able to find patterns in those huge amounts of data.

JepZ 9y ago
Yeah, that statement sounds so arrogant coming from a human...
ccozan 9y ago
Indeed. Human body has limitations. Maybe imagination which is considered limitless. But, next use case: No human can sustain ~10G for more than a few seconds [0] and pilot anything that flies. An sufficient AI for flying has no issue in any G. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G-force#Human_tolerance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G-force#Human_tolerance

deanCommie 9y ago

I use Google Photos to back up all my cell phone camera photos. It automatically generates galleries from trips I make, and selects the "best" photos. I still review them, and decide if I agree on Google's ML agorithm's opinion of best (from a series of snaps of someone's face or a landscape) While it's really good at removing blurry shots, aligning crooked ones, and discarding those where someone half-blinked, it cannot AT ALL tell the difference between a weird interesting endearing facial expression and a weird strange off-putting facial expression. And that's because the real data is not in the image. It's in the personality that I know of the person. A picture of a person smiling who I know is dour or unhappy is the one I want. Meanwhile for a person who's incredibly photogenic and always has a flawless smile - but is usually consistent and bordering on insincere - I'd prefer a candid shot where they're not looking their best - but the real personality that maybe only I know of them is shining through. These are not objective truths. My favourite photos of my wife are ones she hates. And it's not even about having a different SELF-image from those that others have of you - we also like different photos of our dog, and of our mutual friends. No ML model will be able to pick that, and unfortunately this isn't just a case of "let's give them more data and wait". If we trust the algorithms to make these decisions for us, we will just encourage the rounding of all the uneven edges of our world until we settle on a bland average existence where everyone has the same idea of what a "cute baby" looks like. This is already happening with information bubbles on Facebook and Twitter. The trend needs to be reversed, not doubled-down on.

wyager 9y ago
> No ML model will be able to pick that Everything you described actually sounds like a pretty straightforward challenge for ML; do online learning for preferred subject/expression pairs on a per-user basis.
- xg15 9y ago
  Nope. If Katie once made a funny face because some situation on their trip to paris was hilarious, that doesn't mean I always/only want pictures of her where she makes that same funny face for the rest of my life.

JoeDaDude 9y ago

Re: the kid with the basketball. How is this the best photo? The AI chose a picture centered on the basketball, but which trimmed off the top of the child's head.

vadimberman 9y ago

> If you aren’t aligned with a human need, you’re just going to build a very powerful system to address a very small — or perhaps nonexistent — problem. If you have to "align with a human need" and that problem is not obvious, this sounds like a solution looking for a problem.

realworldview 9y ago

More ads from the ad company. yawn

Siecje 9y ago

Is the clips still for sale?

frostburg 9y ago

Besides the PR, even the purported goal is less than worthless. Clearly what photography needs is more banal snapshooting, now with editorializing AI enforcing utter conformity.