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I think his statement "If they can’t give me that energy back? Maybe I’m wasting my time." is thoughtful. Jack is old enough to have gone to and performed shows

I think his statement "If they can’t give me that energy back? Maybe I’m wasting my time." is thoughtful. Jack is old enough to have gone to and performed shows in his youth where cells phone were rare if there were any. He performs not only for the music but for the energy of the crowd. A crowd that's now placed a screen between themselves and the performer taking away that energy or removing that sense of connection. Even in a large venue! He's the artist, it's his gig, if you can't respect the reasonable wishes of the person who you paid to go see what are you doing there?

hungerstrike 9y ago
> ...if you can't respect the reasonable wishes of the person who you paid to go see what are you doing there? Why the false dichotomy? A person could easily lack all respect for an entertainer and still want to go see them... Heck, I've gone to concerts before just to make fun of the band and its fans with my friends. One could be there doing a lot of things but the blindingly obvious answer in this case is that people like to record stuff. Jack sounds like a vampire. It my energy that he's feeding off of isn't it? Seems like Jack should respect his audiences' wishes. Furthermore, if the concert venue can't go out of their way to provide a measly fucking digital video and picture download for people, then I say fuck 'em. If they don't respect my wishes why should I respect theirs??? It's kinda like how HN asks you not to treat the downvote button as a disagree button and to just post your disagreement - but just about everybody ignores that rule because thinking is hard. Hmmmmm
- grasshopperpurp 9y ago
  Also tells you not to complain about downvotes, but I guess thinking is hard.
  - hungerstrike 9y ago
    What complaining? I said "it's kinda like how X..." That's not a complaint, thank you very much :)
    - grasshopperpurp 9y ago
      Fair enough :^)
- epicide 9y ago
  > Heck, I've gone to concerts before just to make fun of the band and its fans with my friends. Sounds like you're the vampire here.
- maxerickson 9y ago
  Things that aren't in the guidelines: HN asks you not to treat the DOWNVOTE button as a DISAGREE Things that are in the guidelines: Please don't use uppercase for emphasis. If you want to emphasize a word or phrase, put asterisks around it and it will get italicized.* Please don't comment about the voting on comments. It never does any good, and it makes boring reading.
  - hungerstrike 9y ago
    Oh thank you! I corrected that caps now but I wasn't even talking about the guidelines. I was talking about how the vast majority of HN users don't want anyone to use the downvote button as a disagree button, which is quite evident when you search for: downvote disagree site:ycombinator.com Also, I didn't comment about the downvotes on my comment. I said "it's kinda like X". Anyway, you completely ignored the bulk of my comment. So, I'll continue to rest assured that my logic is sound and that nobody can really argue against it. Thanks!
    - always_good 9y ago
      > Anyway, you completely ignored the bulk of my comment. So, I'll continue to rest assured that my logic is sound and that nobody can really argue against it. Thanks! If you want to really feel right, go to a mall and start blurting out whatever opinions you have to everyone. Everyone will just avoid you and walk on by because they agree with you so much.
      - hungerstrike 9y ago
        Why would I want to share my opinions with the average moron? I, don't need any external validation for my logical reasoning thank you very much :) That's something that the average person needs, so you must be one of those since you suggested it. Do you think the world is full of smart people? Bwahahahahaha! Nope.
  - j_s 9y ago
    Unfortunately downvote to disagree has been officially endorsed as inevitable. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12330029#12330373 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12330029#12330373 I wish there was even the tiniest bit of public accountability! Even user profile totals of upvotes, downvotes, comments, and flags would be a usable signal. Maybe one of the perks of being a YC company is seeing which accounts downvoted yours... ;)
- gf263 9y ago
  >Heck, I've gone to concerts before just to make fun of the band and its fans with my friends What.
donretag 9y ago
Many of us old enough remember that cameras were often banned from venues, even non professional ones. It wasn't until camera enabled phones became popular that this rule was dropped. I have no idea why someone would want to watch a performance from behind a screen.
- bonesss 9y ago
  Why do people drop buttloads of money getting to the Grand Canyon and then spend their time behind a viewfinder taking landscape pictures that are infinitely worse than you'll find online or purchased from pros, ensuring they spend less (and sometimes no), time enjoying the scenery and environment?
  - knodi123 9y ago
    I actually tested this theory recently; when I went to Machu Picchu, I took several pictures with my wife in them, and absolutely zero pics of the scenery or the monument. When I got home, I inserted some random high-res professional pics from recognizable vantage points into an album and called it a day. I don't feel shortchanged. Although I'm somewhat glad for the tourist "gotta take my own shitty photo" attitude, because I saw a really nifty research project once that took thousands of tourist photos (of the Trevi Fountain IIRC) and combined them to generate a high-res 3d image without any people in it. That was pretty cool. If I could change anything about my Machu Picchu experience, though, it would have been to find some way to shut up that blathering loudmouth moron in front of me who barely paused for breath for the entire duration of the morning hike to the nearby summit. Jesus christ lady, I couldn't hear a single nature sound, and I did NOT need to know about what a slut your cousin is.
    - komali2 9y ago
      For me it's an opportunity to practice and improve my photographic skills on something a bit more interesting than the regular shit I photograph all the time and am well bored with. Plus it's cool to get a nice picture of your friend / yourself with a dope thing in the background. Makes for great tinder pics ;) To this day though the best picture I ever took was in Hakone with a really shitty point-and-shoot and none of the photographic training (hobbyist level) I have now.
asciimo 9y ago
But he's the entertainer, whom the audience is paying. People should be able to use their phones if they are not doing it in a disruptive manner, or jeopardizing the quality of anyone else's experience. They should be able to look around, too. And stand with poor posture if that's what they like. And even not dance if they must.

hungerstrike 9y ago

> ...if you can't respect the reasonable wishes of the person who you paid to go see what are you doing there? Why the false dichotomy? A person could easily lack all respect for an entertainer and still want to go see them... Heck, I've gone to concerts before just to make fun of the band and its fans with my friends. One could be there doing a lot of things but the blindingly obvious answer in this case is that people like to record stuff. Jack sounds like a vampire. It my energy that he's feeding off of isn't it? Seems like Jack should respect his audiences' wishes. Furthermore, if the concert venue can't go out of their way to provide a measly fucking digital video and picture download for people, then I say fuck 'em. If they don't respect my wishes why should I respect theirs??? It's kinda like how HN asks you not to treat the downvote button as a disagree button and to just post your disagreement - but just about everybody ignores that rule because thinking is hard. Hmmmmm

grasshopperpurp 9y ago
Also tells you not to complain about downvotes, but I guess thinking is hard.
- hungerstrike 9y ago
  What complaining? I said "it's kinda like how X..." That's not a complaint, thank you very much :)
  - grasshopperpurp 9y ago
    Fair enough :^)
epicide 9y ago
> Heck, I've gone to concerts before just to make fun of the band and its fans with my friends. Sounds like you're the vampire here.
maxerickson 9y ago
Things that aren't in the guidelines: HN asks you not to treat the DOWNVOTE button as a DISAGREE Things that are in the guidelines: Please don't use uppercase for emphasis. If you want to emphasize a word or phrase, put asterisks around it and it will get italicized.* Please don't comment about the voting on comments. It never does any good, and it makes boring reading.
- hungerstrike 9y ago
  Oh thank you! I corrected that caps now but I wasn't even talking about the guidelines. I was talking about how the vast majority of HN users don't want anyone to use the downvote button as a disagree button, which is quite evident when you search for: downvote disagree site:ycombinator.com Also, I didn't comment about the downvotes on my comment. I said "it's kinda like X". Anyway, you completely ignored the bulk of my comment. So, I'll continue to rest assured that my logic is sound and that nobody can really argue against it. Thanks!
  - always_good 9y ago
    > Anyway, you completely ignored the bulk of my comment. So, I'll continue to rest assured that my logic is sound and that nobody can really argue against it. Thanks! If you want to really feel right, go to a mall and start blurting out whatever opinions you have to everyone. Everyone will just avoid you and walk on by because they agree with you so much.
    - hungerstrike 9y ago
      Why would I want to share my opinions with the average moron? I, don't need any external validation for my logical reasoning thank you very much :) That's something that the average person needs, so you must be one of those since you suggested it. Do you think the world is full of smart people? Bwahahahahaha! Nope.
- j_s 9y ago
  Unfortunately downvote to disagree has been officially endorsed as inevitable. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12330029#12330373 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12330029#12330373 I wish there was even the tiniest bit of public accountability! Even user profile totals of upvotes, downvotes, comments, and flags would be a usable signal. Maybe one of the perks of being a YC company is seeing which accounts downvoted yours... ;)
gf263 9y ago
>Heck, I've gone to concerts before just to make fun of the band and its fans with my friends What.

donretag 9y ago

Many of us old enough remember that cameras were often banned from venues, even non professional ones. It wasn't until camera enabled phones became popular that this rule was dropped. I have no idea why someone would want to watch a performance from behind a screen.

bonesss 9y ago
Why do people drop buttloads of money getting to the Grand Canyon and then spend their time behind a viewfinder taking landscape pictures that are infinitely worse than you'll find online or purchased from pros, ensuring they spend less (and sometimes no), time enjoying the scenery and environment?
- knodi123 9y ago
  I actually tested this theory recently; when I went to Machu Picchu, I took several pictures with my wife in them, and absolutely zero pics of the scenery or the monument. When I got home, I inserted some random high-res professional pics from recognizable vantage points into an album and called it a day. I don't feel shortchanged. Although I'm somewhat glad for the tourist "gotta take my own shitty photo" attitude, because I saw a really nifty research project once that took thousands of tourist photos (of the Trevi Fountain IIRC) and combined them to generate a high-res 3d image without any people in it. That was pretty cool. If I could change anything about my Machu Picchu experience, though, it would have been to find some way to shut up that blathering loudmouth moron in front of me who barely paused for breath for the entire duration of the morning hike to the nearby summit. Jesus christ lady, I couldn't hear a single nature sound, and I did NOT need to know about what a slut your cousin is.
  - komali2 9y ago
    For me it's an opportunity to practice and improve my photographic skills on something a bit more interesting than the regular shit I photograph all the time and am well bored with. Plus it's cool to get a nice picture of your friend / yourself with a dope thing in the background. Makes for great tinder pics ;) To this day though the best picture I ever took was in Hakone with a really shitty point-and-shoot and none of the photographic training (hobbyist level) I have now.

asciimo 9y ago

But he's the entertainer, whom the audience is paying. People should be able to use their phones if they are not doing it in a disruptive manner, or jeopardizing the quality of anyone else's experience. They should be able to look around, too. And stand with poor posture if that's what they like. And even not dance if they must.