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The was a pretty good discussion yesterday in /r/cyberpunk about the possible consequences of this: https://www.reddit.com/r/Cyberpunk/comments/7sexm6/deepfakes

by r3bl 9y ago

The was a pretty good discussion yesterday in /r/cyberpunk about the possible consequences of this: https://www.reddit.com/r/Cyberpunk/comments/7sexm6/deepfakes_porn_fakery_realistically_pasting/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Cyberpunk/comments/7sexm6/deepfakes... > The subreddit /r/Deepfakes became very active very fast and new deepfakes are submitted every day with varying degrees of realism. The most scary part is that ANYONE can be deepfaked, not just celebrities. Provided you have the right hardware (because neural networks demand beefy video cards for training) you could train a model of your friend and paste her face onto a porn video and boom. All you have to do is download a browser extension that downloads all photos from someone's instagram and work from there. Nobody is safe from this. > I think this here is as cyberpunk as it gets. The technology is 4 months old and has already yielded extremely realistic results. Think of what we will have one year from now. Something like this matches both the high tech and the low life aspect of the cyberpunk genre. EDIT: Pasted the wrong link.

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hackinthebochs 9y ago
Revenge porn doesn't even need to be real anymore to terrorize someone. A celeb has plausible deniability when it comes to stuff like this. But an average person whose career is on the line?
- hndamien 9y ago
  Now they can just say, "oh, I've been deepfaked" and move on. In many ways this will be psychologically liberating for many victims of revenge porn.
  - kevingadd 9y ago
    That assumes a really high level of technology literacy from the people the fake is being used to deceive. That simply isn't going to be true, probably ever. It's already easy to convince people of transparent falsehoods, plausible faked video evidence will make it worse. It's the "Give me six lines written by the most honest man in the world, and I will find enough in them to hang him" problem except now it's "give me six photos of the most honest man and I will convince everyone he loves to abandon him". There are notable examples of harassment mobs forming and never dissipating off of really scant "evidence", things like accusing school shooting parents of being "crisis actors" or long harassment campaigns based on flimsy claims that a woman slept around. It's disgusting. School bullying leading to suicides is already bad enough, what about when teens are sending forged porn of each other around? Or to classmates' parents to get them in trouble?
    - dragonwriter 9y ago
      > It's already easy to convince people of transparent falsehoods, plausible faked video evidence will make it worse It will for a while, then it'll revert to the point that video “evidence” is—except to experts validating validation tools that most people don't understand—exactly equal to rumor in public estimation, because everyone has been exposed to so much fakery.
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    - Godel_unicode 9y ago
      > That assumes a really high level of technology literacy from the people the fake is being used to deceive. Counterpoint: "photoshopped" is a dictionary word.
      - hndamien 9y ago
        It only took 8 years for people to become Bitcoin experts.
        Godel_unicode 9y ago
        What year is that going to happen?
        hndamien 9y ago
        It was a somewhat tongue in cheek comment.
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      - imtringued 9y ago
        Honestly this is still photoshopping. It's just automated photoshopping.
  - jstarfish 9y ago
    You've clearly never been a victim of sexual harassment if you think people can just handwave these sorts of things away.
    - maruhan2 9y ago
      if "deepfake" gets common, it could probably be similar to people's facebook account getting hacked and mass-messaging porn. Nowadays you just say "oops i've been hacked" and move on even if such message was sent to your boss. Same probably can happen
    - hndamien 9y ago
      Is it better than the status quo where you just say “:| yep, that’s me, I’m a victim of revenge porn”.

by r3bl 9y ago

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hackinthebochs 9y ago

Revenge porn doesn't even need to be real anymore to terrorize someone. A celeb has plausible deniability when it comes to stuff like this. But an average person whose career is on the line?

hndamien 9y ago
Now they can just say, "oh, I've been deepfaked" and move on. In many ways this will be psychologically liberating for many victims of revenge porn.
- kevingadd 9y ago
  That assumes a really high level of technology literacy from the people the fake is being used to deceive. That simply isn't going to be true, probably ever. It's already easy to convince people of transparent falsehoods, plausible faked video evidence will make it worse. It's the "Give me six lines written by the most honest man in the world, and I will find enough in them to hang him" problem except now it's "give me six photos of the most honest man and I will convince everyone he loves to abandon him". There are notable examples of harassment mobs forming and never dissipating off of really scant "evidence", things like accusing school shooting parents of being "crisis actors" or long harassment campaigns based on flimsy claims that a woman slept around. It's disgusting. School bullying leading to suicides is already bad enough, what about when teens are sending forged porn of each other around? Or to classmates' parents to get them in trouble?
  - dragonwriter 9y ago
    > It's already easy to convince people of transparent falsehoods, plausible faked video evidence will make it worse It will for a while, then it'll revert to the point that video “evidence” is—except to experts validating validation tools that most people don't understand—exactly equal to rumor in public estimation, because everyone has been exposed to so much fakery.
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  - Godel_unicode 9y ago
    > That assumes a really high level of technology literacy from the people the fake is being used to deceive. Counterpoint: "photoshopped" is a dictionary word.
    - hndamien 9y ago
      It only took 8 years for people to become Bitcoin experts.
      - Godel_unicode 9y ago
        What year is that going to happen?
        hndamien 9y ago
        It was a somewhat tongue in cheek comment.
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    - imtringued 9y ago
      Honestly this is still photoshopping. It's just automated photoshopping.
- jstarfish 9y ago
  You've clearly never been a victim of sexual harassment if you think people can just handwave these sorts of things away.
  - maruhan2 9y ago
    if "deepfake" gets common, it could probably be similar to people's facebook account getting hacked and mass-messaging porn. Nowadays you just say "oops i've been hacked" and move on even if such message was sent to your boss. Same probably can happen
  - hndamien 9y ago
    Is it better than the status quo where you just say “:| yep, that’s me, I’m a victim of revenge porn”.