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oh FFS, compare that to the cultural revolution, which ended in 1976. the whataboutism here is annoying; while we were debating and agonizing over the impact of

by Noos 9y ago

oh FFS, compare that to the cultural revolution, which ended in 1976. the whataboutism here is annoying; while we were debating and agonizing over the impact of the vietnam war, China was busy imprisoning, torturing, and relocating its own citizens over ideology. It created a culture of children informing on their own parents. I wish people would realize how much they have dodged a bullet by growing up in western nations.

Hydraulix989 9y ago
Not only do they torture them, they harvest their organs (sometimes while they are alive for "freshness"). China is on a whole different level.
- freeflight 9y ago
  Got any sources for that? Many of these claims remind me far too much about stories about babies being thrown out of incubators and whatnot.
  - Hydraulix989 9y ago
    I think it's pretty believable. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organ_harvesting_from_Falun_Gong_practitioners_in_China https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organ_harvesting_from_Falun_Go...
    - freeflight 9y ago
      That links back to a CNN article and that CNN article cites reports by http://endorganpillaging.org/ http://endorganpillaging.org/ A quick look through their reports frames this whole issue in a bit of a different light [0]. Mainly in the context of a Chinese shift from socialism to capitalism and the need for hospitals to fund themselves and run as for profits. The numbers are big, which looks scary at first glance but ain't really that surprising considering it's the most populated country on the planet. Sadly the report does not seem trying to account for that, by comparing transplants per capita with other countries, instead, it just cites big numbers going "Look how many!". Without wanting to sound too cynical, this looks more like an example of extreme capitalism, without any regards to ethics, and not for "Communist China being oh so evil", which this often is framed as. Which overall is a rather difficult topic as these are the very same dynamics that make China a world leader in human cloning research and one of the most important manufacturing hubs in the world. [0] http://endorganpillaging.org/an-update-chapter-nine-findings-from-164-hospitals-volume-drivers/#hospital-funding http://endorganpillaging.org/an-update-chapter-nine-findings...
dmichulke 9y ago
> how much they have dodged a bullet by growing up in western nations. I think GP's comment is concerned more with the health of Non-Westerners.
kiliantics 9y ago
The US has done this to plenty of its own citizens too, typically the non-white ones. And it didn't stop in the 70s when civil rights were supposedly won.
- pbhjpbhj 9y ago
  Do I have you right here, what you seen to be saying is that the well-known images of rows of USA police/soldiers protecting citizens from racists is false? That there was no rule of law, and that the USA government was the force behind racially directed violence? And that still, the government ignored the rule of law and exacts widescale violent action against its citizens motivated by politics/race? Or is China actually different, and you're talking crap?
  - wu-ikkyu 9y ago
    >what you seen to be saying is that the well-known images of rows of USA police/soldiers protecting citizens from racists is false China is of course different --apples to oranges--, but the images you mention are cherry picked. The images that were hidden from the front pages were of the secret police agencies subverting, blackmailing, and assassinating leaders of the civil rights movement. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Hampton#1969_raid_and_death https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Hampton#1969_raid_and_dea... "We've got to face the fact that some people say you fight fire best with fire, but we say you put fire out best with water. We say you don't fight racism with racism. We're gonna fight racism with solidarity" -Fred Hampton
wu-ikkyu 9y ago
>I wish people would realize how much they have dodged a bullet by growing up in western nations The odds of catching a bullet are much higher in the US than China. https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2017/10/06/555861898/gun-violence-how-the-u-s-compares-to-other-countries https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2017/10/06/5558618...

by Noos 9y ago

Hydraulix989 9y ago

Not only do they torture them, they harvest their organs (sometimes while they are alive for "freshness"). China is on a whole different level.

freeflight 9y ago
Got any sources for that? Many of these claims remind me far too much about stories about babies being thrown out of incubators and whatnot.
- Hydraulix989 9y ago
  I think it's pretty believable. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organ_harvesting_from_Falun_Gong_practitioners_in_China https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organ_harvesting_from_Falun_Go...
  - freeflight 9y ago
    That links back to a CNN article and that CNN article cites reports by http://endorganpillaging.org/ http://endorganpillaging.org/ A quick look through their reports frames this whole issue in a bit of a different light [0]. Mainly in the context of a Chinese shift from socialism to capitalism and the need for hospitals to fund themselves and run as for profits. The numbers are big, which looks scary at first glance but ain't really that surprising considering it's the most populated country on the planet. Sadly the report does not seem trying to account for that, by comparing transplants per capita with other countries, instead, it just cites big numbers going "Look how many!". Without wanting to sound too cynical, this looks more like an example of extreme capitalism, without any regards to ethics, and not for "Communist China being oh so evil", which this often is framed as. Which overall is a rather difficult topic as these are the very same dynamics that make China a world leader in human cloning research and one of the most important manufacturing hubs in the world. [0] http://endorganpillaging.org/an-update-chapter-nine-findings-from-164-hospitals-volume-drivers/#hospital-funding http://endorganpillaging.org/an-update-chapter-nine-findings...

dmichulke 9y ago

> how much they have dodged a bullet by growing up in western nations. I think GP's comment is concerned more with the health of Non-Westerners.

kiliantics 9y ago

The US has done this to plenty of its own citizens too, typically the non-white ones. And it didn't stop in the 70s when civil rights were supposedly won.

pbhjpbhj 9y ago
Do I have you right here, what you seen to be saying is that the well-known images of rows of USA police/soldiers protecting citizens from racists is false? That there was no rule of law, and that the USA government was the force behind racially directed violence? And that still, the government ignored the rule of law and exacts widescale violent action against its citizens motivated by politics/race? Or is China actually different, and you're talking crap?
- wu-ikkyu 9y ago
  >what you seen to be saying is that the well-known images of rows of USA police/soldiers protecting citizens from racists is false China is of course different --apples to oranges--, but the images you mention are cherry picked. The images that were hidden from the front pages were of the secret police agencies subverting, blackmailing, and assassinating leaders of the civil rights movement. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Hampton#1969_raid_and_death https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Hampton#1969_raid_and_dea... "We've got to face the fact that some people say you fight fire best with fire, but we say you put fire out best with water. We say you don't fight racism with racism. We're gonna fight racism with solidarity" -Fred Hampton

wu-ikkyu 9y ago

>I wish people would realize how much they have dodged a bullet by growing up in western nations The odds of catching a bullet are much higher in the US than China. https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2017/10/06/555861898/gun-violence-how-the-u-s-compares-to-other-countries https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2017/10/06/5558618...