17 ms·

Hetzner Cloud

• realPubkey 9y ago
  Is the location of the cloud-server still Nürnberg/Falkenstein? The prices seem to be very low.
  • etaty 9y ago
    yes, it is. German laws for data protection apply.
    • eb0la 9y ago
      Not German, but European Laws apply. This ( http://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/reg/2016/679/oj http://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/reg/2016/679/oj ) replaces all data proyection laws in the EU. Must comply now, but sanctions won't be in effect until may 25th.
      • deleted 9y ago
        [deleted]
      • jo909 9y ago
        EDIT: I seem to be wrong. This is a hybrid of a EU regulation that needs to be implemented into local law, and "EU law" that has direct application everywhere. Also there are specific rules on how much stronger the member states can make their local rules. I'm leaving my error in the text below. That is not technically correct, and the difference matters. The EU regulation forces it's members to implement their own local laws in alignment to the EU regulation. The EU regulation can get a member state into trouble if not implemented in time or correctly. They describe a set of "baseline" data protection laws for the whole EU, but the members can still have stronger local rules. Only the local law is what can get a resident company in trouble. Germany has (had for a long time) very strong data protection laws that are still going to be stronger than the EU regulation.
        • lucideer 9y ago
          Your comment is not strictly "wrong", as you say, it's just that the law is changing. The new regulation comes in* on May 25th. Your comment correctly describes the current system, which is being replaced. * By "comes in", I mean begins being enforced. There's been a 2 year grace period as advance notice.
  • scboffspring 9y ago
    Looks like it, according to the features/location: We host our cloud instances in our own data centers in Nuremberg and Falkenstein. And we operate our data centers in accordance with ISO 27001 guidelines while also adhering to strict German data protection regulations.
  • Maakuth 9y ago
    They are also in process of building out in Finland (https://www.cinia.fi/en/archive/hetzner-data-center-park-helsinki-takes-form-next-units-to-arise-in-2018.html https://www.cinia.fi/en/archive/hetzner-data-center-park-hel...). There's a direct GER-FIN fiber link laid in the Baltic, owned partially by Hetzner (https://www.cinia.fi/en/services/international-connectivity-services/c-lion1-submarine-cable.html https://www.cinia.fi/en/services/international-connectivity-...).
    • dx034 9y ago
      Makes Finland sense if you want to connect to Asian customers? Is there a good link Finland-JP/Korea/Singapore? Otherwise I fail to see why Finland makes sense, unless you need cheaper energy for applications that don't need low latency.
      • seqastian 9y ago
        Cheaper to keep cool.
      • Maakuth 9y ago
        We do have cheap energy (from nuclear and mostly renewable CHP), cheap cooling, availability of educated workforce and stable state. And good network connections to Russia in addition to Nordic and Baltic states and continental Europe.
        • dx034 9y ago
          But latency to Russia and Baltic states isn't that different from where Hetzner already is. I just try to understand why people would choose Hetzner's new DC in Finland over that in Germany unless they offer cheaper prices there.
    • nirv 9y ago
      That's interesting! Thanks for pointing out.
  • Hetzner_OL 9y ago
    Hetzner Cloud servers are based in Nürnberg and Falkenstein.
  • ctack 9y ago
    I wish they'd offer could service hosted in South Africa.
• zython 9y ago
  Whats the difference to their VPS's ? I had one until last month with pretty much the specs of the cx21 but it cost a little bit more ? Are they just lowering their prices or am I missing out on features ?
  • deleted 9y ago
    [deleted]
  • jo909 9y ago
    The VPS's were never billed hourly, so you wouldn't have used them in a cloudy, disposable, dynamically scalable way.
  • raimue 9y ago
    As for all cloud providers, you are billed by an hourly rate instead of committing to pay a fixed price for the full month. This gives the customer the flexibility to scale the required power dynamically.
  • bufferoverflow 9y ago
    You can't rent a VPS with an API call, can you?
    • iMarv 9y ago
      Or directly from your terminal :) https://github.com/hetznercloud/cli https://github.com/hetznercloud/cli e/ am part of the team working on hetzner cloud
  • chris-ux_hcloud 9y ago
    Hi! :) The whole architecture has been redeveloped from scratch. We have also designed and developed an entirely new control panel called the Hetzner Cloud Console. It is and will be actively worked on to make it as easy to use as possible for our users. Feedback is highly appreciated :) Also the new cloud servers are billed hourly instead of monthly, as the old VPS were. Full disclosure: I work for Hetzner Cloud as UX Designer.
• wingi 9y ago
  Do you support any other PaaS-API (E.G. CF) instead of your own hcloud cli?
  • ckraus 9y ago
    If you are looking for german-based CF, you should have a look at https://www.meshcloud.io https://www.meshcloud.io . They offer CF and OpenStack from german data centers.
  • Findus23 9y ago
    You can find their new API documentation here: https://docs.hetzner.cloud/ https://docs.hetzner.cloud/
  • Hetzner_OL 9y ago
    We offer a Terraform plugin: https://github.com/hetznercloud/terraform-provider-hcloud https://github.com/hetznercloud/terraform-provider-hcloud --Katie, Marketing, Hetzner Online
    • wingi 9y ago
      Wow - great!
• baybal2 9y ago
  Hetzner used to be a rather big conventional hoster. I'm surprised to see them up and running these days when all big co seemed to have migrated to that cloud thingy
  • Svenstaro 9y ago
    Well, they cost very little in comparison to the big cloud hosters and have great performance. Most startups nowadays can be hosted on a single big vertical machine just fine with perhaps another machine for a hot spare. I think the much-heralded cloud elasticity for most startups only serves to please investors "we can scale if we blow up over night!".
    • CSDude 9y ago
      I once allocated a dedicated machine from Hetzner faster than I get a stupid crippled VM from AWS
  • chillidoor 9y ago
    There is still a demand for dedicated servers, although it is becoming more and more niche, I think.
    • TomMarius 9y ago
      Basically resellers and enterprises
    • baybal2 9y ago
      Companies with actually performance constrained software without a doubt. There are not so few of them. There is a big pit in between own DC, and a lot of VM's in terms of economic scalability. Own DC pays pack when you have 500+ to 1000+ machines in a single location.
      • dx034 9y ago
        Isn't 500 servers still colocation range? That's only 30-40 racks, hardly a whole DC? Or are scale effects that low that DCs of that size make sense?
• jorangreef 9y ago
  I would prefer Hetzner to concentrate on dedicated machines and expand datacenter locations (Asia, Canada).
  • chillidoor 9y ago
    Yeah, I'd like them to be a better dedicated server competitor to OVH as competition is normally good for the consumer. But I guess there's more demand for cloud computing these days.
• insomniacity 9y ago
  Hetzner still haven't said anything to me about Spectre/Meltdown, or rebooted my VPS, so I'm not sure I trust them any more!
  • Findus23 9y ago
    They have written an extensive article about it here: https://wiki.hetzner.de/index.php/Spectre_and_Meltdown/en https://wiki.hetzner.de/index.php/Spectre_and_Meltdown/en
    • jo909 9y ago
      In the context of renting one of their VPS this is fair criticism. The information handed out by Hetzner is not adequate regarding their exposure and timeframe for patching. It's been several weeks since the public disclosure, and if they are still vulnerable for meltdown this puts all customers systems at massive risk. "The host systems will be updated to fix the vulnerabilities as soon as possible. The necessary reboots will be announced on Hetzner Status. You may subscribe to be notified. "
  • r3bl 9y ago
    Prior to this announcement, the announcement about Spectre/Meltdown migration was literally at the very top of their customer homepage. After this announcement, it is the second thing you see when you log in: https://i.imgur.com/XTSTHkR.jpg https://i.imgur.com/XTSTHkR.jpg I can't think of an approach that would be more direct to their customers than seeing it on top of their customer homepage.
  • babuskov 9y ago
    That's strange. I remember getting an e-mail from them about it some time ago. Perhaps they had issues e-mailing you. Check your spam folder.
    • insomniacity 9y ago
      Nope, plenty of email from them. Nothing in spam. Anyway, the proof is in the 264 day uptime!
• floatboth 9y ago
  2gb ram minimum, nice. Do they still require a scan of your id/passport though?
  • paulsmal 9y ago
    they did ask copy of passport for dedicated server this summer. Don't know about VPS though
  • Hetzner_OL 9y ago
    Yes. We check IDs of our new customers. We find that this is one of the most effective ways of preventing abuse. A short time after we have verified your ID, the personal data we collected to process your order will be deleted in accordance with German data protection laws. After your first order, you don't need to provide your ID again. --Katie, Marketing, Hetzner Online
    • znpy 9y ago
      Kudos to Germany for sane-minded laws about personal data and to Hetzner for respecting such laws!
    • omnifischer 9y ago
      Can you confirm that you delete the ID after verification? Your sentence seems like a lawyer's answer.
      • icebraining 9y ago
        What's ambiguous about that answer? "the personal data we collected to process your order will be deleted" sounds pretty clear. Obviously a copy of an ID is personal data.
• hs86 9y ago
  I am using their previous "VServer" offering and while it is not easily visible on their landing page it is possible to reboot their VPS into either a Linux based or a FreeBSD rescue image and install your favourite Linux distro or FreeBSD from there. This way you can run for example a FreeBSD or Arch Linux VPS for under 3 Euro per month. :)
  • clan 9y ago
    I am running FreeBSD on their VServer (and dedicated) too. Anyone know if the rescue system is available on the cloud offering as well? (So alternate OS can be installed) And do the "cloud" have the same painful setup with the gateway outside the subnet?
    • mtmail 9y ago
      Yes, I created a cloud server and see the rescue system is available. Once you created a server you can also mount ISO images. I see "FreeBSD 11.1" among others listed there.
    • max-m 9y ago
      From the FAQ [1]: > Can I install Windows? > Right now we are focusing on support for Linux as an operating system. If you wish, you may install Windows on your own, and we have seen successful installations done. However, we will not provide any support for Windows. Currently I'm running a CX20 (primarily as mail server and for smaller private projects), thinking of switching to the CX21 (more RAM, less storage, cheaper) or the CX31 (way more RAM, more storage, price per month is around 2€ higher than the CX20). If someone has benchmarked them against the old offerings, I'd be happy to see the result. :) [1] https://www.hetzner.com/cloud?country=gb https://www.hetzner.com/cloud?country=gb
  • majewsky 9y ago
    Can confirm. I'm running Arch Linux on my Hetzner VPS and it's been rock-solid (except that one time when I accidentally deleted /sbin/init, but that was my own stupidity).
• bufferoverflow 9y ago
  Great prices. What's strange is that only RAM and disk space increase linearly with the price, not the CPU, nor the traffic. That creates an incentive to buy small instances and getting a lot more for your buck.
  • foepys 9y ago
    I don't think Hetzner makes a promise w.r.t. the CPU clock. So lower end VPS might be hosted on high-core, low-clock machines.
    • deleted 9y ago
      [deleted]
  • dx034 9y ago
    Probably because that's how servers can be set up most efficiently? It's probably much cheaper to run servers with a lot of ram and storage instead of having cpu-heavy machines (infrastructure, cooling, electricity).
• huhtenberg 9y ago
  Keep in mind that Hetzner has a rather lax (non-existing?) policy when it comes to stopping outbound spam, so make sure to check that IPs you get from them are not on MX blacklists. To clarify - saying this as someone who was forced to blacklist their IPs on more than one occassion, not as someone who ran into tainted IPs as their customer.
  • TimWolla 9y ago
    From my experience this is false. Hetzner reacts to abuse notices and I never received a server with blacklisted IP addresses. The only organization that caused issues is Microsoft / Outlook.com, but they seem to block every IP address by default. I was able to unblock myself by filling out a form and waiting a few hours for all my servers so far.
    • postit 9y ago
      Same here. I've used Hetzner for two years and I never had any issue regarding blacklisted Ip addresses.
    • huhtenberg 9y ago
      They do react to notices, but they don't do much about them. Emailing abuse@hetzner.de yields: Dear Sir or Madam, Thank you for your email. In order for us to process your request, we ask that you please fill out the form at the following link: https://abuse.hetzner.de/ Please use this form for all future complaints. Kind regards Abuse team When told that they already have all the information in the original report, a human suddenly appears and replies that apparently every report needs to include a permission to be forwarded to the customer. Again, in the context of a clearly compromised box one would expect them to first block the box and then "follow up with the customer." Still, even with this permission and several hours in, the box is still spamming, customer is "investigating" and Hetzner has done all they could to handle this incident.
      • Tehnix 9y ago
        Would much rather have them investigate first, so you can't just abuse spam reports to shut down people's servers.
• hit8run 9y ago
  Can anyone compare their service to Linode or DigitalOcean? I'm currently using Linode but the Hetzner prices seem way lower: For 35€ a month I get 32GB RAM, 8 vCPUs, 240GB SSD + 20TB Traffic. The comparable 40$ plan for Linode offers 8GB RAM 4 CPU Cores 48GB SSD and 3 TB Transfer (See: https://www.linode.com/pricing https://www.linode.com/pricing) Am I missing something or is Hetzner just way more competetive? https://www.linode.com/pricing https://www.linode.com/pricing
  • MulliMulli 9y ago
    I have multiple Barebone servers with Hetzner, never had any problems. The only thing I don't like is their control panel. Edit: Their Cloudhosting control panel is top notch.
    • chris-ux_hcloud 9y ago
      Hi! :) The whole architecture has been redeveloped from scratch. We have also designed and developed an entirely new control panel called the Hetzner Cloud Console. It is and will be actively worked on to make it as easy to use as possible for our users. Feedback is highly appreciated :) Also the new cloud servers are billed hourly instead of monthly, as the old VPS were. Full disclosure: I work for Hetzner Cloud as UX Designer.
      • MulliMulli 9y ago
        You guys did a great job, the new control panel looks clean and is super fast!
        • chris-ux_hcloud 9y ago
          Thank you so much! :)
      • eip 9y ago
        You dedicated servers page doesn't work anymore: https://www.hetzner.com/dedicated-rootserver?country=us https://www.hetzner.com/dedicated-rootserver?country=us No matter what filter settings (including default) I see 0 results.
• MrHetzner 9y ago
  We currently use Hetzner (for 6 years with some minor troubles) in a mixed managed server (database)/VM (app, nginx, haproxy) setup. Currently we have CX20 and CX30. It looks this is getting cheaper + much more power. CX20 2vCore/ 2GB/ 8,21 EUR CX21 2vCore/ 4GB/ 5,83 EUR CX30 2vCore/ 4GB/ 14,16 EUR CX31 2vCore/ 8GB/ 10,59 EUR
• hetfeld 9y ago
  No US and Singapore regions yet. But prices are good indeed.
• csmattryder 9y ago
  Looks like they're taking on LowEndSpirit, except with a slightly better offering. Not quite beastly EC2, or piggybacking a VPS on someone's Nokia 3310. Any current clients know how fast provisioning is on these?
  • mythz 9y ago
    From their website: "Our quick and clever Cloud Console lets you create server instances almost instantly, usually in under 10 seconds."
    • csmattryder 9y ago
      Duh, I should've read the page when I wasn't as busy... Thanks!
  • MulliMulli 9y ago
    I just fired up an instance took 7 seconds.
• azifali 9y ago
  I've used Hetzner and my general experience has been good.
• superasn 9y ago
  For someone who knows about networking can you please comment on the following: 1. What would be the downside of hosting my Apache server on Hezner instead of AWS? Will it affect load times, website SEO, downtime? 2. Hosting Mysql Server on CX31 on Hezner instead of AWS? If my Apache server is on Ec2 and I make a connection to a Mysql server on Hezner will it affect performance of my sites because they're hosted on different places? I have a very basic understanding of networking, so appreciate any comments from someone who knows about these.
  • TimWolla 9y ago
    1. Load time depends on the location of your visitors, see #2. Downtime is hard to evaluate, I expect the cloud to be fairly stable based on my experience with Hetzner. 2. For sure of you are using AWS in US: Traffic across the atlantic will incur at least ~65ms latency per roundtrip.
    • superasn 9y ago
      Thanks. So it would be best to host on Hezner too. That's fine with me. Can you comment if the location of my IP will affect my website SEO wrt to USA visitors?
      • TimWolla 9y ago
        SEO is a black box, so there are no definite answers. It will affect load times (the 60ms) and that could have an effect on search engines.
        • r3bl 9y ago
          Highly doubt Google and others would punish you for having a slightly bigger latency to your server and back. If that was the case, all the companies that are hosted in the US would already be punished in Europe.
      • dx034 9y ago
        No it won't. US for European servers is no problem, round trip of <200ms is hardly noticeable (unless you have a lot of round trips and no CDN). It appears that Google looks at render times (at least that's what they communicate) and it's easy to lose 200ms by having 5 js resources even if the server is close. But Asian visitors will notice a deterioration if you had a server in US-West before. Latency Europe-East Asia/Australia is very high.
• z3t4 9y ago
  I hope they grab enough market share to force other providers to lower their prices, Hetzner is like 10x cheaper and on better network and hardware then their competitors.
  • notMick 9y ago
    Also vpsdime is similar if not better specs and prices. Worth comparing.
  • romanovcode 9y ago
    scaleway seems even lower and is pretty popular.
    • dx034 9y ago
      Not if you factor in that much of the storage is not local, generally lower speed and processing power often appears relatively low per core. Never tested them myself though.
    • nirv 9y ago
      I'm Scaleway customer and it's for sure cheaper since it offers dual cores, unmetered bandwidth and more SSD storage for the same 3 EUR/m. But these are ARM or Atom x86 CPUs, both are significantly less efficient[1] than Xeons. It's worth noting that Scaleway has introduced "Workload Intensive" instances with a sweet price point starting from 25 EUR/m for 6-cores Xeon D-1531/15GB RAM/200GB SSD. [1] https://github.com/joedicastro/vps-comparison https://github.com/joedicastro/vps-comparison
    • jmngomes 9y ago
      Scaleway's "customer support" forums will give you a good grasp of what you're in for if you buy their service. I'll quote a different customer's opinion (on those forums) that summarizes my experience using their service: "Whenever I've tried to use Scaleway for something serious, I regretted bitterly". My experience was essentially this: Scaleway advertises that you can have virtual servers with up to 10 150GB SSD volumes, so I signed up and created a virtual server with two 150GB volumes. After several attempts over three days, the server wouldn't start at all; it never actually started. Scaleway's support told me that "it's because there are no available nodes matching your configuration." and "If our stock is low then there is more chance that the only free nodes are "default" ones, with 200GB available only". The solution, according to their support, would be to "keep trying to start the server until it works". To add to this, Scaleway started billing me for the (unused) volumes attached to a server that cannot be started because, according to their support, they didn't have the resources to provide it. So, I certainly didn't feel assured that they are able to provide what is advertised on their website (virtual servers with up to 10 ssd volumes). My key takeaway from this experience was that if you have a platform on Scaleway and you need to add servers to cope with growth/features, they may not have the capacity/stock to provide it. Even if you have only 1 server, which was my case, they may be unable to say when you'll be able to start the server on a physical instance.
• tobltobs 9y ago
  Good to see Hetzner catching up to OVH. Some crude comparison of their offers: Hetzner CX11 € 2,96 1 vCPU 2 GB RAM 20 GB NVMe SSD 20 TB Traffic CX21 € 5,83 2 vCPU 4 GB RAM 40 GB NVMe SSD 20 TB Traffic CX31 € 10,59 2 vCPU 8 GB RAM 80 GB NVMe SSD 20 TB Traffic CX41 € 18,92 4 vCPU 16 GB RAM 160 GB NVMe SSD 20 TB Traffic CX51 € 35,58 8 vCPU 32 GB RAM 240 GB NVMe SSD 20 TB Traffic --------------------- OVH VPS SSD 1 1 vCore(s) 2 Go de RAM 10 Go SSD 3,99 € VPS SSD 2 1 vCore(s) 4 Go de RAM 20 Go SSD 6,99 € VPS SSD 3 2 vCore(s) 8 Go de RAM 40 Go SSD 12,99 €
  • dx034 9y ago
    You're comparing OVH's SSD where they don't guarantee speed and have 100mbit connections. Speed on those can be incredibly slow. For a fair comparison you'd have to use their public cloud instances which are 2-3x the price of Hetzner.
    • tobltobs 9y ago
      My understanding has been that OVH offers guaranteed bandwidth of 100mbit and Hetzners has a 10 Gbit network connection, but I would guess that this connection is shared and doesn't offer any guarantees. Hetzners free traffic is also capped at 20TB. Therefore I left this details away as it is difficult to compare. If would love to see a detailed comparison.
      • dx034 9y ago
        Hetzner has internal and incoming free. I only need that kind of bandwidth when I restore backups or load large datasets. That's either internal or infrequent and so far, I was always able to max out their bandwidth (haven't tested the cloud product yet).
• mythz 9y ago
  Been using Hetzner for years, their hardware's has been rock solid, predictable pricing with sweet price/performance ratio resulting in large savings from consolidating existing AWS EC2 instances. Still using AWS for Apps which rely on cloud features, e.g. SES/RDS/etc but for static servers Hetzner is now our goto. Super exciting to see them entering the cloud space and offering easy snapshots + backups, should open it to hosting more stuff on there. The one difference is noticeable latency from their DC in Germany vs the instant response times I was getting from AWS's N.Virgina DC. Would obviously love it if Hetzner could open a DC in the US.
  • pulse7 9y ago
    If they open a DC in the US, then - by the US laws - their US company will have to provide the data even from German DCs when requested by the US government. So it is maybe better not to enter the US...
    • babuskov 9y ago
      They could form a separate company to handle US operations only.
      • dx034 9y ago
        OVH tries to do that but I doubt that's waterproof. Probably easier to have an agreement with a US provider. Having everything in the EU makes it much easier for them and is a selling point for many customers.
        • Tepix 9y ago
          A US company can't force a German company to hand out data, I don't see what you mean by "waterproof".
          • albertgoeswoof 9y ago
            The US government might not agree that they are two separate entities (they're not), and could take action based on that position (e.g. shut down the US company, ask the German government to compel the German company to comply with their laws etc.)
• myf01d 9y ago
  I would really like to try Hetzner since it's a respectable company and offers much lower prices than DO or Linode, however, they need an ID verification. Since I am egyptian and have no passport, I cannot register. I hope they find a more resilient way for registration.
  • phihag_ 9y ago
    Why don't you get a passport, government ID, or driver's license? I'm honestly interested, if that's not too personal to ask.
    • myf01d 9y ago
      I showed them my government ID but they refused, understandably because it's in Arabic language. They asked for an English passport. But since I didn't have one, I couldn't continue the registration. It's really frustrating. Why isn't my credit card enough to verify my identity? Almost all top cloud/vps providers don't ask such questions.
      • foepys 9y ago
        They afaik had some of problems with botnets using their cheap infrastructure in the early to mid 2000s. Might have something to do with it.
      • simplyinfinity 9y ago
        Because of stolen credit cards? They are minimising potential damages like this. Malicious actors are less likely to give their ID to send spam and ID cards are harder to steal than Credit cards :)
        • Dolores12 9y ago
          Be assured malicious actors got plenty of stolen ids.
      • lemagedurage 9y ago
• danielbln 9y ago
  Quite impressed so far, the interface clean and straight forward. We've been using Hetzner for years, mostly because the PX121 machines offer excellent performance for cheap. We'll be doing some in depth testing of this new cloud offering in the coming days/weeks. Provisioning is already impressively fast, especially if you're coming from EC2 where it feels like an intern has to press a button or something to get an instance online.
  • iMarv 9y ago
    Maybe we just have more interns than amazon ;) full disclosure: am working for hetzner cloud
  • floriferous 9y ago
    This made me laugh
• virtualwhys 9y ago
  Uh, what? 14U colo rack space for 100 Euros per month[1], that's insane -- I must be missing something. [1] https://www.hetzner.com/colocation/13-rack https://www.hetzner.com/colocation/13-rack
  • dx034 9y ago
    Yes, you pay German retail electricity prices, i.e. 24c/kwh. But they've always been that cheap.
    • chaz6 9y ago
      What is the pricing per additional TB after the first 2TB?
      • dx034 9y ago
        €1/TB https://www.hetzner.com/colocation https://www.hetzner.com/colocation
  • kuschku 9y ago
    That’s about common for colocation in larger German datacenters, so I don’t think you’re missing anything.
  • darkarmani 9y ago
    They had me at: > Above-average raised floor system
• kawsper 9y ago
  Does anyone know if they offer per-customer, or per-project local networking? It is something I can get from Packet.net, but not from Linode or DI (Although Linode promised that it was in their pipeline, I have yet to see it), OVH does offer this but I only experienced pain with their interface and service.
  • aloisamae 9y ago
    Not from what I can see in the control panel. I personally use zero-tier to connect my servers on a virtual Ethernet adapter. But you probably want to avoid getting an ipv4 if I'm guessing correctly, so I don't think that would work for you.
• dx034 9y ago
  Since Hetzner appears to be reading here: I have a question that support couldn't answer last time. How are your DCs connected with each other and with external peering points? I notice that some traceroutes to FSN servers go via NBG. If one data centre region goes down (as OVH just experienced), will all peering still work on the other or would that kill some peering points? Having some kind of network topology (like OVH's weathermap) would help with that, esp where to position servers that rely on certain peering points.
  • jo909 9y ago
    https://wiki.hetzner.de/index.php/Rechenzentren_und_Anbindung/en#How_are_the_Data_Centers_connected_to_each_other.3F https://wiki.hetzner.de/index.php/Rechenzentren_und_Anbindun... "How are the Data Centers connected to each other? The two Data Center Parks are both connected to Frankfurt (FFM) and each other with dark fiber. Thus, a redundant loop is formed, which ensures the availability of a Data Center should one of the connections fail. The n10 Gbit/s connections provide ample bandwidth between the Data Centers. The bandwidth of the connections between Nuremberg-Frankfurt, Nuremberg-Falkenstein and Falkenstein-Frankfurt are at least 120 Gbit/s. Through the Frankfurt location data is transported to the peering partners at DE-CIX and also to the uplinks Noris, GLBX, Aixit, AMS-IX, Init7 and Level3. At the Nuremberg location there are connections to Noris, KPN, Init7, Level3 and N-IX. In each Data Center several Juniper EX Core switches, each with 64x 10 Gbit/s ports, are operated and bundle the streams of the Data Center to the n10 Gbit/s backbone and then over the various uplinks. " And here is a list of their peerings: https://www.hetzner.com/unternehmen/rechenzentrum/ https://www.hetzner.com/unternehmen/rechenzentrum/
    • dx034 9y ago
      Ok thanks. So it appears that most peering is done in Frankfurt and available directly. Didn't see that wiki entry before. Let's just hope that they get more peering partners over the medium term. Peering with Telekom would be very helpful, pings from within Germany can be close to what you get from the US East Coast (from my not representative tests).
      • 9y ago
• kachurovskiy 9y ago
  Wonder if using Hetzner makes you subject to unusual German laws requiring (nearly) every site to have an "Impressum" page with contact phone number, mailing address and other data that would be uncomfortable for an individual (not a company) to disclose.
  • Zekio 9y ago
    couldn't you in reality just use the data from WHOIS protection on a domain?
    • kuschku 9y ago
      People need to actually be able to contact you with that, by letter, fax, phone, email, etc. All WHOIS protection services I’ve seen until now either ignore fax, phone and letter, or just respond with "this method of contact is ignored, please use the email"
      • dewey 9y ago
        But you can put your real data as an administrator contact on the whois entry. It doesn't always show the domain provider's information.
    • kachurovskiy 9y ago
      I don't think so. German laws is very particular about what should be in there. Typical example: https://www.rockit-internet.de/impressum/ https://www.rockit-internet.de/impressum/
  • wukerplank 9y ago
    Odd thing to note here. I've never heard of a case in Germany where the hoster would enforce this law on behalf of the state.
    • dakna 9y ago
      There are plenty of lawyers who love to make money out of unlawful use of the German "Impressum" and send you an "Abmahnung" which requires you to pay fees even if you comply and change your website afterwards.
• dbancajas 9y ago
  Can someone benchmark this please? Probably nbench or something..
• phil42 9y ago
  I can‘t seem to find any FreeBSD but just Linux images when trying to create a CloudServer. Is it correct that right now they just have different Linux distros available?
  • iMarv 9y ago
    Hi, after creating a server you can boot it with various images provided by hetzner into a rescue system. disclosure: am part of the frontend team of hetzner cloud
  • ysleepy 9y ago
    I just installed geli ZFS on the 3€ instance. It works nicely.
• deleted 9y ago
  [deleted]
• ralala 9y ago
  Congratulations! Nice step. Are you also working on docker hosting and dbaas? I'm a german development contractor and long-term Hetzner customer. These are the only two missing features, causing us to still operate our own systems. Regarding the DSGVO: Do you support encryption of the filesystem?
  • Hetzner_OL 9y ago
    Thanks for the suggestion about Docker/dbaas. I have passed it on to our development team. We don't usually publish what new products and features we are developing until they are ready, but we will continue to post information about upgrades as they develop. Regarding the DSGVO: Do you support encryption of the filesystem? -> Hetzner Cloud servers are fully virtualized. So the customer can even fully encrypt the whole server. --Katie, Marketing, Hetzner Online
• billysielu 9y ago
  Why is there advertising on HN?
  • Tepix 9y ago
    It's a new product that's of interest to a large part of the audience. Just like a new Google Phone etc.
• jmngomes 9y ago
  I was just speaking with their customer support about this and it appears (if I understood correctly) that this offering will be replacing the current CX line, which has a lot of SSD space at a competitive price (unlike the new offering). Since I really need the SSD offered by the current/previous CX line (it was the #1 reason that made me move to Heztner) it seems that I'll have to find a new cloud provider... My experience with Hetzner is/was great, but as a customer it's impossible to rely on a service provider that extinguishes a whole service line in a few months and forces me to move a whole infrastructure at a whim...
  • Hetzner_OL 9y ago
    You can still order the previous CX line of servers (the "vServers") via the customer administration interface. There is no official EOL posted yet for the previous CX line. --Katie, Marketing
    • jmngomes 9y ago
      Thank you, that wasn't clear from my previous interactions. It would be great to have an EOL warning at least a few months before a service line is discontinued, just to provide enough time for customers to move critical/production workloads to another infrastructure provider.
      • Hetzner_OL 9y ago
        We won't cancel the existing servers/customers. You just won't be able to order the product anymore. --Katie, Marketing, Hetzner Online
      • _jcwu 9y ago
        I seriously don't understand why the support reply got downvoted ...
        • jmngomes 9y ago
          Me neither. I upvoted it.
• benevol 9y ago
  Anything using virtualization is still less secure than dedicated machines. If you want security, use dedicated servers.
  • lemagedurage 9y ago
    And don't connect to the Internet
    • benevol 9y ago
      Sorry to say this, but that is a pretty ignorant comment.
      • lemagedurage 9y ago
        Ignorance to portray a point
        • kuschku 9y ago
          What point? That you’ve completely missed meltdown/spectre affecting virtualization?
        • logfromblammo 9y ago
          The reasonable assumption in 2018 is that everything is always connected to the Internet, whether you intentionally connected or not, and the only thing you can reasonably control is the latency. That air-gapped server sitting in a grounded bank vault filled with pure nitrogen gas is still somehow leaking data out, and you just haven't yet figured out when or how. Maybe little cockroaches fitted with tiny SCUBA rebreathers and brain-control chips are crawling in through a dime-sized hole and sticking their aluminized antennae into the USB ports.
• logronoide 9y ago
  Hetzner has an excellent reputation for rock-solid engineering and very good prices. While the cloud providers invested in innovation in software, they focused on optimizing the hardware and data center techniques and engineering (something very German, btw). Now that Cloud is a pure commodity and companies are learning about how to be truly 'multi-cloud' they come out of nowhere with a very interesting proposal at incredible pricing. Maybe I'm wrong, but it seems they have built the solution on top of opensource technologies like Ceph (100% sure) and OpenStack (not so sure...). OpenStack and Ceph have been around for 7 years, so they don't have to deal with their (sexy) immaturity of the early days. I miss some key features that premium cloud providers have, like a firewall (security groups), private networks (VPC or SDN style networks), and of course Windows. But the funny thing is that it fits perfectly with my multi-cloud approach, and we are going to test it and if it works, we will move our loads from the AWS Frankfurt region to them. And saving about 80%. Nice move, Hetzner!
  • dx034 9y ago
    And without the OVH cloud interface which has horrible loading times and sometimes randomly switches to French.
    • logronoide 9y ago
      Well, you can always learn a new language
      • erric 9y ago
        Not when it's French /ducks....
        • drcongo 9y ago
          Canards.
      • smoyer 9y ago
        je ne comprend pas
• simplyinfinity 9y ago
  What i would love to see offered by hetzner is loadbalancers :)
  • dx034 9y ago
    Shouldn't be too hard to set up yourself. As their traffic is so cheap, external vs. internal traffic doesn't really matter.
    • duncanawoods 9y ago
      Out of interest, how do you spec the ram/cpu for a load balancer?
    • simplyinfinity 9y ago
      I need a newtwork load balancer so i don't have to spend 25 eur for additional server to act as a loadbalancer in simpler and budget restricted scenarios.
      • e12e 9y ago
        Why do you need a load balancer if you don't have enough traffic to justify a beefier dedicated box with a few tb data included and a proper gb uplink? Are you streaming game/3d data or something where each request is really compute heavy, but data is less than 100mbs? [ed: never mind - 20tb included for the cheapest box. That's a bit of a departure from earlier. That's 60 mbps sustained 24/7 for a month. That's probably hard to meet with a full regular web stack running on a single tiny vm.. Oth, should be able to just ha proxy on one of those - or two-three w heartbeat...]
        • simplyinfinity 9y ago
          If one machine goes down (updates, hacked, hardware failure) i still need to have a second one that can handle the incoming requests
          • 9y ago
• romanovcode 9y ago
  Can you upload ISO files?
  • Elrac 9y ago
    Once you have your own server, you can of course upload whatever you want. But you're probably asking about booting from an ISO image. As a few other people have said, Hetzner offers a "boot from rescue image" service which apparently lets you boot from an uploaded ISO. I never tried this on my own Hetzner server though. If you're hardcore, you can also do what a friend of mine did: Use the provided Linux system (Debian, Ubuntu, there's a bunch of choices) to fiddle its own boot loader, possibly re-partition the disk, upload your favorite system and reboot into that. You're root, you can do what the hell you want; at worst you might end up bricking your system to the point where you need to re-install from the rescue system.
    • romanovcode 9y ago
      The reason I ask is that I have some specific Windows software and I would like to upload Windows ISO with VirtIO drivers and use my own cd-key instead of paying additional 16 EUR per month for a license that I already have.
      • jlgaddis 9y ago
        Per their FAQ, you can do that.
        • romanovcode 9y ago
          Nope, just checked - you can't.
• zAy0LfpBZLC8mAC 9y ago
  No clue about this new product, but their previous virtual server offering had NATed IPv4 and they generally have an idiotic IPv6 policy (only small prefixes, you have to pay extra to get anything remotely sensible--like, default /64 even on dedicated servers, you can get a /56 if you pay for it, more isn't supported).
  • Tepix 9y ago
    Could you explain why a /64 is too small for you? I'm really curious.
    • zAy0LfpBZLC8mAC 9y ago
      Because that is the size of a single subnet, so you cannot do any useful network design with that. Also, mind you that they have a /29 assigned from RIPE, so they would have sufficient space for 134,217,728 /56s or 524.288 /48s. They choose to leave all that address space unused for nothing, forcing their customers to work around a completely artificial scarcity of address space. Exactly the opposite of why they got a /29 from RIPE (and they could easily get more if they did actually manage to use it up).
• Tepix 9y ago
  I just wish Hetzner would start offering cheap low-end dedicated servers like OVH's Kimsufi or Online.net's "Personal family" Dedibox offerings...
  • Hetzner_OL 9y ago
    Are you familiar with our server auction? https://www.hetzner.com/sb https://www.hetzner.com/sb --Katie, Marketing, Hetzner Online
• oliwarner 9y ago
  That's really cheap. With really good features. However, what keeps me on Linode is that they have a London datacentre with excellent peering. I've seen 9ms pings, 150 miles away. Makes for seriously fast websites (in concert with good development processes). Hetzner responds in 31-35ms from here. That might be Good Enough™ for many applications but it's not as special. I've never been this tempted to jump ship though. Hopefully some of these features will become industry standard.
  • bootcat 9y ago
    I am also on Linode as its price point is its strength. Really considering if Hetzner would charge forex on US cards, otherwise, seems like a good plan.
    • bootcat 9y ago
      Does anybody know if Hetzner charges forex on US debit/credit cards ?
      • kondro 9y ago
        That’s actually up to your credit card company, not the merchant.
      • dx034 9y ago
        They charge in € so you need a card without FX fee.
        • snuxoll 9y ago
          Discover and Capital One are probably the best cards to use for foreign purchases if you live in the US (I only use my Discover IT or Capital One QuickSilver for purchases in foreign currency or that charge from a foreign bank), some banks offer no-FX fee cards but typically they're tied to specific rewards programs (often travel) that might not be as useful.
      • aloisamae 9y ago
• DisposableMike 9y ago
  Is Hetzner not known to generally be a "bad" host? I have suffered so much abuse at the hands of their clients (DOS attacks, aggressive spidering/SQL Injection probing) that I've blocked their entire IP space on the majority of my client networks. I've never received a single response from their abuse report email/tool.
  • Trufa 9y ago
    Well one experience doesn't necessarily mean anything (on either side) but I'm absolutely surprised that that was your experience since everything we found was nothing but an amazing product that was not proportional to the price we paid in the good sense.
  • ralala 9y ago
    I guess the reason might be that their machines are cheap and thus they probably have many semi-professional / personal customers who leave their systems insecured. Nevertheless, I have made very good experience with their hardware, network and customer support - so they are also suitable for professional customers.
  • deadbunny 9y ago
    We're blaming hosts for the actions of customers now?
  • Elrac 9y ago
    I'm a (happy) Hetzner customer. A few years ago I ran some services with easily guessable/forceable passwords and my host turned into a node of a cracking botnet for a day or two. Hetzner got nasty mails from a couple of "victim" sites, forwarded them to me, helped me clean house and everything was fixed and airtight within hours. I think it's to be expected that a few self-managed root hosts will be poorly managed (like mine was) or abused. But as far as I can tell, Hetzner does a credible job of taking care of problems.
• startupdiscuss 9y ago
  Anyone know why this was upvoted? I can't tell it apart from the dozens of other "good" cloud providers (Lightsail, Digital Ocean, Vultr, Linode)
  • StavrosK 9y ago
    We (I) just like Hetzner a lot, they have cheap and reliable (from the little I've used them) bare metal servers.
  • kbwt 9y ago
    Less than 1/3 the price of the equivalent Linode and DO offerings at 2GB.
  • dx034 9y ago
    Same quality if you only need computing power but at a fraction of the price.
• maufl 9y ago
  Why do I see a higher price in the web console than on the product page?
  • hmage 9y ago
    Because product page doesn't include VAT. But once you login the VAT is applied on the prices.
    • maufl 9y ago
      Makes sense, but not how it's usually done in Germany.
      • hmage 9y ago
        Yeah. I was confused for a while as well.
      • zyx321 9y ago
        It's primarily aimed at a B2B market, so the prices shown to guest users exclude VAT. Once you are logged in, they can tell whether you have a tax ID on your account and will show you the appropriate price.
    • misev 9y ago
      Oh, I was wondering why the prices on https://www.hetzner.com/cloud?country=de https://www.hetzner.com/cloud?country=de are higher than on https://www.hetzner.com/cloud?country=us https://www.hetzner.com/cloud?country=us, this explains it.
• teekert 9y ago
  I'm thinking soon "enough" (as in: personal server) compute/ram/disk will be free and you can play with servers for nothing riding completely on the backs of larger paying customers. Like with wordpress.com or any service with a free tier really.
• cygned 9y ago
  We are very happy to see that offering. We were planning to move our German SaaS from AWS to Hetzner anyway and with Hetzner Cloud we expect things to be a lot easier for us. Congrats and thanks, Hetzner team!
• DrSarez 9y ago
  Cool - renting two CX31 instances plus a BX40 storage box seems to me a good solution running a private OpenShift cluster for under 50€ a month. Id need to figure it out!
  • digianarchist 9y ago
    Can the BX line be used as a network drive? It says "Useable as network drive" but what is the performance like?
• bla2 9y ago
  Tried it out. You can't sign in with your email address, you have to use a user name they assign to you. My assigned user name is more secure than my password and impossible to remember. I suppose it's good for security, but it's also super inconvenient.
  • thescarzy 9y ago
    Password manager sounds like something you could employ for this?
  • alltakendamned 9y ago
    IF that is true, I suggest you choose a stronger password...
• interfixus 9y ago
  This looks enticing. I may wish to become a Hetzner customer again. That I am presently not one is entirely Hetzner's own doing: Some years ago, testing out their offerings (which were good!), at one point I deleted my last VPS, thinking I'd come back in a few days and actually start getting serious. Not to be! Virtually the very second I deleted the instance, an email pinged in: No active machine, account deleted. Which sent me over the border to the French guys (Whose interface to this day is a riddle to me, every time I haven't worked with i for a week or two. I can read the French version, it's not a language thing, just a general UI disaster).
• contingencies 9y ago
  I recently tried Google Compute Cloud and concluded it's got almost as awful and crufty an interface as AWS. Almost. What is it with cloud providers, they can't hire a designer? Or they don't take them seriously? This stuff is terrible. So I'm still sold vs. AWS, and I have to run some nodes, and I think great, I can put the business credit card on a cloud account and run stuff. But then Google refuses to let me sign up because every time I try it says "Unable to verify with this phone number.". This could be because I can only access Google via proxies and they are not in the country of my phone number (China or HK). So perversely I am left in a situation where to get Google to allow me to give them money I have to first open a proxy compute node with another Google account in the jurisdiction my phone number is in, install a proxy, then access them through that. But you'd think they probably block their own IPs, so that probably won't work. So Hetzner, maybe you got my business.
  • chrismeller 9y ago
    If all you’re using is EC2 or GCE (ie: plain VMs) you’re just wasting money anyway. You’d be better served by going with one of the cheaper alternatives that only do VMs, so Hetzner or Digital Ocean or Linode or whatever doesn’t really matter...
    • infinitone 9y ago
      Not if you need specialized vms like a p2.
      • chrismeller 9y ago
        Hence “plain VMs”. EC2 does offer other things under the umbrella, but if OP has tried GCE and is considering Hetzner he’s clearly not using those, so he’s wasting money every month.
      • merb 9y ago
        or a network.
  • abawany 9y ago
• simosx 9y ago
  Had some fun trying out these new cloud servers, https://blog.simos.info/a-closer-look-at-the-new-hetzner-cloud-servers-by-running-lxd/ https://blog.simos.info/a-closer-look-at-the-new-hetzner-clo... (not affiliated with Hetzner)
• simosx 9y ago
  When you create a new cloud server, there is a tab called CEPH (for the Ceph network filesystem). It does not have any options and it looks like it is not active yet. It would be great if they offered network storage through Ceph.
  • Hetzner_OL 9y ago
    This is another product type runnning on SSD-backed Ceph storage instead of NVME SSDs. Thank you for pointing out this hiccup in our user interface. I've passed that information on to my team members. --Katie, Marketing, Hetzner Online
    • kaixi 9y ago
      When you switch tabs, the same server you selected should remain selected.
• MrHetzner 9y ago
  To Hetzner: Any plans to move existing managed servers into the new API? (at least for traffic, invoices etc.) - we currently run a mixed setup with managed servers and CX20/CX30.
• deleted 9y ago
  [deleted]
• Un1corn 9y ago
  It seems like the option for backup space (external storage) does not exist like in their vServers. I hope they will return it because they offered really cheap storage compared to Vultr and DO.
• Dolores12 9y ago
  Hetzner require your ID before you create any server. This is huge inconvenience. So i opted to DO and scaleway and never looked back.
  • vidarh 9y ago
    They require ID the first time. It's inconvenient, but given the price difference vs. DO, it's very much worth it.
    • zzzcpan 9y ago
      I think it's more complicated than that. I was able to create an account and start a server without an ID whatsoever.
      • vidarh 9y ago
        It may very well be the restrictions depend on products and location etc., but the point is anyway is that even when they ask for ID, it's always been for the initial order only.
• simosx 9y ago
  Compared to Scaleway, Scaleway gives you two vCPUs (not one) and 50GB storage (not 20GB) for their entry level cloud server, at around 3€/month. URL: https://www.scaleway.com/pricing/ https://www.scaleway.com/pricing/ The problem with Scaleway is that they are working at capacity and are almost always out of stock. They are expanding now (and are hiring!), https://blog.online.net/2017/11/13/scaleway-enters-a-new-growth-phase/ https://blog.online.net/2017/11/13/scaleway-enters-a-new-gro... The big difference between Hetzner and all the rest of the cloud servers, is that they start with 2GB RAM for their entry level packages.
  • rubenfonseca 9y ago
    Scaleway is using Intel Atom cores.
    • tombrossman 9y ago
      Atom cores and IIRC all network disks, with some peculiarities. For example, reboot means waiting while your instance's 'local' drive is copied to some other type of storage, then your instance reboots, then all the data is copied back, THEN you can access your instance again. When I tested them last year reboots meant 30+ minutes of down time. Their setup is interesting and I really wanted to like it (I did like the pricing), but it was a dreadfully slow experience. And those Atoms really suffered when benchmarking HTTPS connections compared to almost any other provider. Not even close.
    • MrHetzner 9y ago
      I'll take a Xeon core over an Atom core any day :-)
  • stingraycharles 9y ago
    > two vCPUs (not one) A vCPU means nothing without considering the underlying CPU being used, and whether or not it's a dedicated core or not.
  • jmngomes 9y ago
    >> two vCPUs (not one) Two Intel Avoton cores, quite inferior to the Xeons that power Hetzner's vCPU. (assuming they are in stock) I wrote this in detail on another reply, but Scaleway's "customer support" forums will give you a good grasp of what you're in for if you buy their service.
• gradschool 9y ago
  Does anyone know off hand whether whether it's possible to install nixos on Hetzner cloud servers, either manually or using nixops?
  • max-m 9y ago
    The cloud servers can be booted into a rescue system. https://wiki.hetzner.de/index.php/Hetzner_Rescue-System/en https://wiki.hetzner.de/index.php/Hetzner_Rescue-System/en From there you can do pretty much what you desire.
  • tilpner 9y ago
    nixops has hetzner deployment support, but I don't yet know how well it works (my account verification is still pending) https://nixos.org/nixops/manual/#opt-deployment.hetzner.createSubAccount https://nixos.org/nixops/manual/#opt-deployment.hetzner.crea...
• iwakura 9y ago
  One often overlooked detail, which I just could not figure out by looking at their product page is which virtualization software they use. I haven't made particularly good experiences with OpenVZ in terms of flexibility and would rather have them use something like KVM.
• XERQ 9y ago
  For those of you looking for competitive prices with servers in the U.S., take a look at SSD Nodes—a bootstrapped hosting provider I've been working on since 2011. I'm the founder and CEO, so I'm a little biased, but we're offering 16GB of RAM plus KVM for a price that's more than competitive with Hetzner, and have clients posting excellent benchmarks, like 1.1 GB/s throughput and 480K IOPS[0]. Check out our pricing: https://www.ssdnodes.com/pricing/ https://www.ssdnodes.com/pricing/ Happy to answer questions if there's any. [0]: https://serverscope.io/trials/lrAw https://serverscope.io/trials/lrAw
  • op00to 9y ago
    Gonna give a Hacker News discount? :)
    • adantey 9y ago
      Prices seem ridiculous even without the discount.
    • XERQ 9y ago
      The 16/32GB RAM options are actually the lowest we offer. We did the side deal thing in the past, but having different pricing on the main site and a landing page just made things more complicated and led to unhappy customers.
  • op00to 9y ago
    Also - any way to get Fedora rather than Centos?
    • XERQ 9y ago
      We will definitely add support for Fedora in the future.
  • OkGoDoIt 9y ago
    I’d join in a heartbeat if you supported Windows. Why do almost no VPS providers support Windows?
• nimos 9y ago
  Loving the competition in the market. Object Store would be nice. Can't wait to see what happens when NAND/DRAM markets start clearing and there are multiple competitive 7nm nodes.
• ksec 9y ago
  I can remember Hetzner has been around for as long as OVH. Why has OVH expanded now way beyond France to US, Asia etc while Hetzner still EU only? With Google, Microsoft Facebook as well as Amazon leading the way in layering out cables across continent, having a server in US means you have a high probability most ISP in the world has tuned the networking route around those traffic. The same cant be said for EU.
• kim0 9y ago
  Any answer to AWS's spot instances feature?
• theipman 9y ago
  Interesting speeds: ------------------------------------------------- nench.sh v2017.06.01 -- https://git.io/nench.sh benchmark timestamp: 2018-01-23 20:03:56 UTC ------------------------------------------------- Processor: Intel Xeon Processor (Skylake, IBRS) CPU cores: 1 Frequency: 2099.998 MHz RAM: 1.9G Swap: - Kernel: Linux 4.4.0-112-generic x86_64 Disks: sda 19.1G HDD CPU: SHA256-hashing 500 MB 3.249 seconds CPU: bzip2-compressing 500 MB 5.604 seconds CPU: AES-encrypting 500 MB 2.970 seconds ioping: seek rate min/avg/max/mdev = 32.9 us / 63.2 us / 4.71 ms / 22.5 us ioping: sequential read speed generated 22.2 k requests in 5.00 s, 5.42 GiB, 4.44 k iops, 1.08 GiB/s dd: sequential write speed 1st run: 391.96 MiB/s 2nd run: 311.85 MiB/s 3rd run: 315.67 MiB/s average: 339.83 MiB/s IPv4 speedtests your IPv4: 94.130.181.xxxx Cachefly CDN: 81.40 MiB/s Leaseweb (NL): 134.69 MiB/s Softlayer DAL (US): 6.10 MiB/s Online.net (FR): 88.06 MiB/s OVH BHS (CA): 7.12 MiB/s IPv6 speedtests your IPv6: 2a01:4f8:1c0c:xxxx Leaseweb (NL): 92.31 MiB/s Softlayer DAL (US): 4.22 MiB/s Online.net (FR): 79.54 MiB/s OVH BHS (CA): 6.79 MiB/s -------------------------------------------------
  • raguuu 9y ago
    My Digitalocean comparison: ------------------------------------------------- nench.sh v2017.06.01 -- https://git.io/nench.sh benchmark timestamp: 2018-01-24 04:11:01 UTC ------------------------------------------------- Processor: Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5-2650L v3 @ 1.80GHz CPU cores: 1 Frequency: 1799.998 MHz RAM: 992M Swap: - Kernel: Linux 4.4.0-112-generic x86_64 Disks: vda 25G HDD CPU: SHA256-hashing 500 MB 4.450 seconds CPU: bzip2-compressing 500 MB 7.930 seconds CPU: AES-encrypting 500 MB 2.435 seconds ioping: seek rate min/avg/max/mdev = 37.2 us / 62.3 us / 15.8 ms / 67.2 us ioping: sequential read speed generated 26.4 k requests in 5.00 s, 6.44 GiB, 5.28 k iops, 1.29 GiB/s dd: sequential write speed 1st run: 619.89 MiB/s 2nd run: 775.34 MiB/s 3rd run: 774.38 MiB/s average: 723.20 MiB/s IPv4 speedtests your IPv4: 165.227.96.xxxx Cachefly CDN: 183.84 MiB/s Leaseweb (NL): 11.74 MiB/s Softlayer DAL (US): 6.29 MiB/s Online.net (FR): 11.81 MiB/s OVH BHS (CA): 34.46 MiB/s IPv6 speedtests your IPv6: 2604:a880:800:xxxx Leaseweb (NL): 12.01 MiB/s Softlayer DAL (US): 4.41 MiB/s Online.net (FR): 23.50 MiB/s OVH BHS (CA): 36.51 MiB/s -------------------------------------------------
• mtgx 9y ago
  Is it me or does this look more like those "Cloud VPS" type of services other companies offer. If you use 5x more than your initial plan in a month, does it just scale up automatically or do you have to contact support to upgrade first?
• amai 9y ago
  "All servers that have finished their creation process will be billed until they are deleted, regardless of their state. This is because, internally, we allocate full resources to servers regardless of their power state. And it enables rapid startup and boot times for you, the customer." (https://www.hetzner.com/cloud?country=ot https://www.hetzner.com/cloud?country=ot in FAQ) I don't think they have understood, what Cloud Computing means.
• Hetzner_OL 9y ago
  Update: When creating your Hetzner Cloud server, you can now inject cloud-init data. You can find more information at https://wiki.hetzner.de/index.php/CloudServer/en#Can_I_use_Cloud-Init_when_creating_servers.3F https://wiki.hetzner.de/index.php/CloudServer/en#Can_I_use_C... --Katie, Marketing, Hetzner Online