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This horrifies me! Can't think of anything I would want less than one of the big 5 US companies spying on me everywhere all the time.

JohnJamesRambo 9y ago
What about headcrabs attaching to your face?
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- NetOpWibby 9y ago
  Yeah, I wouldn’t want that either.
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- goblins 9y ago
  Had to Google that since I don't play games.;)
WJW 9y ago
Drone strike on your family? Indefinite solitary confinement? Opioid addiction? Global thermonuclear war? You have a pretty good life if some company spying on you is the worst thing you can think of. (all examples inspired by just the last two days of news)
KirinDave 9y ago
I've watched network traffic from ghome for over a year now. It is not even remotely "always on". It's running updates and pushing voice to commands. This seems like quite a distorted definition of spying. Is Hacker News spying on you by keeping access logs of site usage? That doesn't seem like a fair characterization either.
- goblins 9y ago
  What can I say I don't trust Google. No walled gardens for me.
  - KirinDave 9y ago
    So, the article is about Apple and a very fair comparison is that Google is a more open and less locked in ecosystem than either Apple or Amazon. So... I'm not sure what your point is. If it's that you hate corporate products then... what exactly are you accessing this website on? An Amiga?
    - goblins 9y ago
      My point if it wasn't clear, which I thought it was, was that the article horrifies me. Accessing this site? Linux laptop running tor browser what else?
      - KirinDave 9y ago
        So, a corporate browser using technology funded by corporate excess and State research efforts. Oh, and it's actually proven to be only a mediocre baffle on security when attacked at scale. You rebel, you. My dude, privacy is dead and we killed it. There is no hiding anymore, short of bombing us back to the victorian era.
        goblins 9y ago
        That's a pathetic ad hominem strategy. Your point is that there is no privacy so why bother, similar to the arguement that if you've nothing to hide you've nothing to worry about. Sorry but, my dude, google, amazon, microsoft, apple, etc al, don't and won't get my business however much you think I'm wasting my time.
        KirinDave 9y ago
        > Sorry but, my dude, google, amazon, microsoft, apple, etc al, don't and won't get my business however much you think I'm wasting my time. Amazon and Google fund Linux a lot, and many of the products we use and support give money to Amazon and Google for hosting. So no, I don't believe what you're saying. If you do, either you're incredibly careful or you're willfully misinformed. But on topic, data leaks from using digital services is a result of physics, not avarice. While we might try to offer guidance and punish wrongdoers, demands for digital privacy are a fool's errand. You might as well demand blood from a stone. And if anyone thought it was worth anything, they'd just start mining data and reselling it out of the channels you DO use. For example, nothing really stops this website forum from selling your IP and browsing habits and even a recognizer for your unique style of writing, other than ethics and economics. Your solution is to turn off the computer and flee, or find ways to work within the new framework and make it so that governments and citizens, good or bad, private or public, everyone has access to the same information and information processing capability.

JohnJamesRambo 9y ago

What about headcrabs attaching to your face?

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NetOpWibby 9y ago
Yeah, I wouldn’t want that either.
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goblins 9y ago
Had to Google that since I don't play games.;)

WJW 9y ago

Drone strike on your family? Indefinite solitary confinement? Opioid addiction? Global thermonuclear war? You have a pretty good life if some company spying on you is the worst thing you can think of. (all examples inspired by just the last two days of news)

KirinDave 9y ago

I've watched network traffic from ghome for over a year now. It is not even remotely "always on". It's running updates and pushing voice to commands. This seems like quite a distorted definition of spying. Is Hacker News spying on you by keeping access logs of site usage? That doesn't seem like a fair characterization either.

goblins 9y ago
What can I say I don't trust Google. No walled gardens for me.
- KirinDave 9y ago
  So, the article is about Apple and a very fair comparison is that Google is a more open and less locked in ecosystem than either Apple or Amazon. So... I'm not sure what your point is. If it's that you hate corporate products then... what exactly are you accessing this website on? An Amiga?
  - goblins 9y ago
    My point if it wasn't clear, which I thought it was, was that the article horrifies me. Accessing this site? Linux laptop running tor browser what else?
    - KirinDave 9y ago
      So, a corporate browser using technology funded by corporate excess and State research efforts. Oh, and it's actually proven to be only a mediocre baffle on security when attacked at scale. You rebel, you. My dude, privacy is dead and we killed it. There is no hiding anymore, short of bombing us back to the victorian era.
      - goblins 9y ago
        That's a pathetic ad hominem strategy. Your point is that there is no privacy so why bother, similar to the arguement that if you've nothing to hide you've nothing to worry about. Sorry but, my dude, google, amazon, microsoft, apple, etc al, don't and won't get my business however much you think I'm wasting my time.
        KirinDave 9y ago
        > Sorry but, my dude, google, amazon, microsoft, apple, etc al, don't and won't get my business however much you think I'm wasting my time. Amazon and Google fund Linux a lot, and many of the products we use and support give money to Amazon and Google for hosting. So no, I don't believe what you're saying. If you do, either you're incredibly careful or you're willfully misinformed. But on topic, data leaks from using digital services is a result of physics, not avarice. While we might try to offer guidance and punish wrongdoers, demands for digital privacy are a fool's errand. You might as well demand blood from a stone. And if anyone thought it was worth anything, they'd just start mining data and reselling it out of the channels you DO use. For example, nothing really stops this website forum from selling your IP and browsing habits and even a recognizer for your unique style of writing, other than ethics and economics. Your solution is to turn off the computer and flee, or find ways to work within the new framework and make it so that governments and citizens, good or bad, private or public, everyone has access to the same information and information processing capability.