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I think the "danger" around Jordan Peterson goes beyond the pronoun debate. Individualism and wariness of ideological collectivism seem to be tenets of what he

I think the "danger" around Jordan Peterson goes beyond the pronoun debate. Individualism and wariness of ideological collectivism seem to be tenets of what he espouses. No surprise, then, that ideological collectivists are his most vocal enemies.

ihsw2 9y ago
I'd be surprised if he shunned collectivism if it were a kind that he agreed with, ie: the Judeo-Christian pro-family values (ie: men and women are destined to for monogamous marriage, homosexuality is sinful) collectivism. He sounds like a hardcore libertarian but I think it's a smokescreen for ideologically-driven oppression under another name.
api 9y ago
Why do so many fascists and racists like him then? They're collectivists. (Not necessarily saying Peterson is a fascist or a racist, but that's a separate question.)
- mizzack 9y ago
  From a post elsewhere in these comments: > Another stand holds that there are only two really important groups: the powerful / powerless, which could also be seen as the "oppressors" and "oppressed." Everyone is supposed to be in one of the two groups. This gets grafted onto identity politics in rather unpleasant ways (IMO). > So in the pronoun debate, people who are transgendered or non-gendered are the oppressed and need help; everyone who is not "helping" them is the oppressor and must be opposed. Same thing applies here. Take note of who is applying these -ist labels, and who they are being applied to: anyone in the outgroup. I would be floored to discover if the majority of these strawmen "fascists" and "racists" are a collective by any definition other than "not on board with the cause."
- reitanqild 9y ago
  > Why do so many fascists and racists like him then? Because they aren't very bright and also don’t pay attention when he tell them how stupid their ideology is?

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I think the "danger" around Jordan Peterson goes beyond the pronoun debate. Individualism and wariness of ideological collectivism seem to be tenets of what he

by mizzack 9y ago

ihsw2 9y ago
I'd be surprised if he shunned collectivism if it were a kind that he agreed with, ie: the Judeo-Christian pro-family values (ie: men and women are destined to for monogamous marriage, homosexuality is sinful) collectivism. He sounds like a hardcore libertarian but I think it's a smokescreen for ideologically-driven oppression under another name.
api 9y ago
Why do so many fascists and racists like him then? They're collectivists. (Not necessarily saying Peterson is a fascist or a racist, but that's a separate question.)
- mizzack 9y ago
  From a post elsewhere in these comments: > Another stand holds that there are only two really important groups: the powerful / powerless, which could also be seen as the "oppressors" and "oppressed." Everyone is supposed to be in one of the two groups. This gets grafted onto identity politics in rather unpleasant ways (IMO). > So in the pronoun debate, people who are transgendered or non-gendered are the oppressed and need help; everyone who is not "helping" them is the oppressor and must be opposed. Same thing applies here. Take note of who is applying these -ist labels, and who they are being applied to: anyone in the outgroup. I would be floored to discover if the majority of these strawmen "fascists" and "racists" are a collective by any definition other than "not on board with the cause."
- reitanqild 9y ago
  > Why do so many fascists and racists like him then? Because they aren't very bright and also don’t pay attention when he tell them how stupid their ideology is?