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> We killed millions of people, not even a hundred years ago, but now we're the paragons of virtue? I don't see how this was relevant in any way to the discuss

by Dumbdo 9y ago

> We killed millions of people, not even a hundred years ago, but now we're the paragons of virtue? I don't see how this was relevant in any way to the discussion. What happened 100 years ago should of course be considered in discussions and in the law-making process today and it should not be forgotten, so that it will not repeat. But it isn't fair to still judge people born in a country where some of their grand(grand)parents did bad things.

hardwires 9y ago
>> But it isn't fair to still judge people born in a country where some of their grand(grand)parents did bad things. I'm not doing that. I'm pointing out that it is laughable to believe that German society could "teach our manners and morals" to the "foreigners" conducting business here. The German society didn't create Nazism out of nothing, the (repressed) superiority complex is still very strong, only now the schizophrenic strategy is to appear like we're the best at "being good humans" instead of outright conquest. Our society is as pathological as it ever was, we have no business teaching anyone.
- anigbrowl 9y ago
  It sounds like your argument is 'people should ignore our laws against hate speech because we're the people who brought about WW2 and the holocaust, so you shouldn't trust us on this stuff.' Of more simply 'ignore laws that aim at preventing a repeat of a crime because of the commission of that crime.' ¯\(°_o)/¯
  - hardwires 9y ago
    I'm sorry, your analysis is incorrect. I'm not talking about this fantastic new hate-speech law per se, I'm talking about the broader attitude in Germany where we just expect foreign business to gratefully deal with all of our bullshit, because we really are a bunch of narrow-headed cultural hegemonists. Imagine if Turkey asked Facebook to enforce Article 301 of the Turkish Penal Code. The reaction in Germany would be widespread ridicule, probably by some of the same people that demand this new law enforced because it's German law.
    - anigbrowl 9y ago
      I'm not talking about this fantastic new hate-speech law per se Then you should have made your general point at the outset. Surely it's clear that the law applies to people providing services to consumers in Germany. Imagine if Turkey asked Facebook to enforce Article 301 of the Turkish Penal Code. In Turkey? OK I guess. I haven't bothered to look up Article 301 or even whether it exists since I presume you're making a rhetorical point.
    - zAy0LfpBZLC8mAC 9y ago
      You do understand that one can object to the enforcement of a specific law (whatever country it is from) because one objects to the content of the law without objecting to the idea that souvereign countries can and should generally enforce their laws on everyone who influences what happens within their borders, right?

by Dumbdo 9y ago

hardwires 9y ago

>> But it isn't fair to still judge people born in a country where some of their grand(grand)parents did bad things. I'm not doing that. I'm pointing out that it is laughable to believe that German society could "teach our manners and morals" to the "foreigners" conducting business here. The German society didn't create Nazism out of nothing, the (repressed) superiority complex is still very strong, only now the schizophrenic strategy is to appear like we're the best at "being good humans" instead of outright conquest. Our society is as pathological as it ever was, we have no business teaching anyone.

anigbrowl 9y ago
It sounds like your argument is 'people should ignore our laws against hate speech because we're the people who brought about WW2 and the holocaust, so you shouldn't trust us on this stuff.' Of more simply 'ignore laws that aim at preventing a repeat of a crime because of the commission of that crime.' ¯\(°_o)/¯
- hardwires 9y ago
  I'm sorry, your analysis is incorrect. I'm not talking about this fantastic new hate-speech law per se, I'm talking about the broader attitude in Germany where we just expect foreign business to gratefully deal with all of our bullshit, because we really are a bunch of narrow-headed cultural hegemonists. Imagine if Turkey asked Facebook to enforce Article 301 of the Turkish Penal Code. The reaction in Germany would be widespread ridicule, probably by some of the same people that demand this new law enforced because it's German law.
  - anigbrowl 9y ago
    I'm not talking about this fantastic new hate-speech law per se Then you should have made your general point at the outset. Surely it's clear that the law applies to people providing services to consumers in Germany. Imagine if Turkey asked Facebook to enforce Article 301 of the Turkish Penal Code. In Turkey? OK I guess. I haven't bothered to look up Article 301 or even whether it exists since I presume you're making a rhetorical point.
  - zAy0LfpBZLC8mAC 9y ago
    You do understand that one can object to the enforcement of a specific law (whatever country it is from) because one objects to the content of the law without objecting to the idea that souvereign countries can and should generally enforce their laws on everyone who influences what happens within their borders, right?