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Tallest Under Construction Buildings in the World
- frik 9y agoThat's the related list of completed tallest building: http://www.skyscrapercenter.com/buildings?list=tallest100-completed http://www.skyscrapercenter.com/buildings?list=tallest100-co... At the moment Shanghai (China) is the cities with most sky scrappers in the world.
- igravious 9y ago@frik – many of your comments (including this one) are dead. Can't tell from your comment history why.
- frik 9y agoThanks for letting me know! It's hard to reply, I can only post 2-3 comments per day, as I always get this site error message: "You're posting too fast. Please slow down. Thanks." Apparently I rubbed the owner/maintainer the wrong way by asking about checking the site server logs to investigate an apparent voting ring thing going on - that was about two years ago. Then he apparently "rate-limited" my account, meaning I can only post two or three comments per day, the votings doesn't count and the comments are fall instantly to the bottom, and the karma stagnates. Some weeks ago, he shadow banned my account. There is little difference between an "rate-limited" account and an "shadow banned" account. Would be nice to bury the hatchet
- igravious 9y ago> There is little difference between an "rate-limited" account and an "shadow banned" account. I don't think this is true. I get the "You're posting too fast. Please slow down. Thanks." if I post too many times in quick succession. If you are rate-limited the posts that you can post will show up as normal. However if you are shadow-banned your posts show up immediately as dead and people can't see them unless they have show-dead enabled. Even to be able to reply to you I have to first click on your post and then click 'vouch'. I guess if you kept approaching the site admin that's why you were shadow-banned, I don't see any point in approaching them unless something terrible is going on, there are too many accounts here and it's not a commercial venture. I don't know what you did but your comment history seems okay but all your comments are showing up dead unless someone clicks 'vouch'. Perhaps if you promised to leave the admins alone? I mean you have more karma than me! Good luck.
- frik 9y agoIt's unfortunately true. I know what you mean, but this same warning message shows up in both occasions. With "rate-limited" account it shows up after two posts and then one cannot post for about 6 hours. The message doesn't make sense, it's there like the shadow ban to annoy one and get you to move away from the site eventually. I promise I won't interact again with the admin.
- dang 9y agoThat is a shockingly bad-faith description. You're banned because you serially abused Hacker News for years, and we gave you a great many warnings before we did that.
- igravious 9y agoThanks for letting me know.
- frik 9y agoAs always you distract from the discussion. What I wrote is 100% true. Rate-limiting is a shady thing here on HackerNews. I am now documenting a last time what moderation tactics are going on here... With rate-limiting it means your account gets so much worse: * lowered the comment start-ranked to below normal * news & comment votes are not counted at all, but only showed to oneself (fake increase) * rate-limited writing comments and submit news (only 2 comment or 1 news submission per 6 hours) It is very shady that this isn't documented or allowed to discuss at all. It seems to be an between state, only slightly worse is the also shady "shadow ban", which features exactly the same symptoms but also hides the comment for public users - users can opt-in to see "dead" comments (via the user settings). You/your employee rate-limited my account, and a few weeks ago your employee shadow banned my account for a slightly not adhering to the guideline comment. If stepping 3 times slightly beside the guidelines (that are a moving target, an interpreted subjectively) is "serially for years" something is wrong on the other side, I am sure. I have a good history of comments, the guy who rate-limited my account showed my account the middle finger. And there is no way to get a normal account status again. What a pitty that Paul PG Graham left, and it turned so much worse since then. I am done with writing comments here, I am sure there are other better websites around, I am leaving the sinking ship.
- crististm 9y agoNot related: I don't know why but you are downvoted into oblivion on your recent comments...
- frik 9y agoAs always you distract from the discussion. What I wrote is 100% true. Rate-limiting is a shady thing here on HackerNews. I am now documenting a last time what moderation tactics are going on here... With rate-limiting it means your account gets so much worse: * lowered the comment start-ranked to below normal * news & comment votes are not counted at all, but only showed to oneself (fake increase) * rate-limited writing comments and submit news (only 2 comment or 1 news submission per 6 hours) It is very shady that this isn't documented or allowed to discuss at all. It seems to be an between state, only slightly worse is the also shady "shadow ban", which features exactly the same symptoms but also hides the comment for public users - users can opt-in to see "dead" comments (via the user settings). You/your employee rate-limited my account, and a few weeks ago your employee shadow banned my account for a slightly not adhering to the guideline comment. If stepping 3 times slightly beside the guidelines (that are a moving target, an interpreted subjectively) is "serially for years" something is wrong on the other side, I am sure. I have a good history of comments, the guy who rate-limited my account showed my account the middle finger. And there is no way to get a normal account status again. What a pitty that Paul PG Graham left, and it turned so much worse since then. I am done with writing comments here, I am sure there are other better websites around, I am leaving the sinking ship.
- yohann305 9y agoDo we have someone here that could explain how this could affect the world if/when an economic crisis hits China? (only talking about the building construction)
- holydude 9y agoHard to say. There are entire ghost cities in china because people cannot afford to live there. If an economy crisis hits china it’s possible that the entire world is in trouble (though not all countries). These things are hard to predict but china more or less uses local workers and materials. Only companies and people’s investments tied to those companies would in theory be in trouble.
- seanmcdirmid 9y agoThe ghost cities are more like ghost outlying districts of existing cities, and they are often heavily sold as speculation plays, so people own the apartments but few live there (Kangbashi in Ordos is a big example, being built up for 2 million, settling for 100k atm). They simply lack the jobs and facilities to attract people. Meanwhile, places where people want to live become increasingly congested. However, you’ll find ghost malls even in Beijing and Shanghai (unneeded retail space).
- igravious 9y agoThis again. Name even one. Point us to even one "entire" ghost city. Honestly, people will parrot any old thing that sounds dramatic without ever bothering to find out for themselves if it's true.
- seanmcdirmid 9y agoI doubt Kangbashi is ever going to fill up given how unpopular coal is becoming in china. They might be able to move it to a few hundred K by moving a bunch of government jobs there, but even Donald Trump as president couldn’t get to the few million they built for.
- seanmcdirmid 9y ago
- rasen58 9y agoAlso notably, 26 out of the top 52 tallest buildings already constructed are also in China.
- du_bing 9y agoI live in Wuhan, where the second tallest building Wuhan Greenland Center (636m) is being built. I see it everyday, actually I also find this kind of thing weird, but anyway, it's a good name card for a city, and such construction can give many people jobs, moreover, it may attract more business to the city.
- igravious 9y agoIt must be amazing to watch it being built. I would love to live in a part of the world where I could watch this sort of activity, it would be marvellous.
- dforrestwilson 9y agoUsually a good contra-indicator for economic health.
- jacobmoe 9y agoHow so? Are there historical examples?
- seanmcdirmid 9y agoThat’s easy: Japan.
- jacobmoe 9y agoThe statement was: "Usually a good contra-indicator for economic health". It's a surprising and counter-intuitive claim. Requires more than a single example. It at least requires more examples than you can find to show the opposite of the claim.
- seanmcdirmid 9y agoJapan is the most apt example. Excess is usually an indicator that a crisis is on its way. The housing bubble pre 2008 in the USA, the roaring 20s before the Great Depression. This isn’t a controversial observation that steep rises are typically followed by even steeper falls, which is why the balloon analogy is so apt. But ATM, china’s situation most resembles Japan.
- igravious 9y agoThey're talking about the so-called skyscraper index, "a whimsical concept put forward by Andrew Lawrence," but which posits that a spate of skyscraper building precedes an economic downturn but it is a conjecture that hasn't been verified†. “A study by Barr, Mizrach and Mundra (2015) […] They find that there is virtually no relationship between the timing of record-breaking buildings and the business cycle. […] In other words, the study finds that extreme height is driven by rapid economic growth, but that height cannot be used as an indicator of recessions.” † https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skyscraper_Index#Empirical_test_of_the_Skyscraper_Index_hypothesis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skyscraper_Index#Empirical_tes...
- ajmurmann 9y agoDo we know what lead to skyscrapers being built? Intuitively I'd think economic prosperity and density. However, Europe has a pretty good economy, is more densely populated than many other regions, yet hardly any skyscrapers to speak of. Do they maybe get built when you need lots of space in the same location quickly? Like when you have a extreme high growth company. Given most skyscrapers are used by several completely different business, that doesn't fit the bill either. This is not meant as a criticism of skyscrapers. In have I LOVE skyscrapers, especially ones with nice bars on top. I just want to understand what circumstances lead to them being built.
- WilliamSt 9y agoI think it's a cultural thing. A lot of people in europe think skyscrapers destroy the skylines of cities. They really dislike any changes though. For example, in Stockholm, there was a fire recently in a rather ugly building (where they educate architects!!). Rather than tearing it down and building something better looking than that sh*thole eye sore of a building they are just repairing it. This is the building I'm talking about: https://www.google.se/maps/@59.3433863,18.0697072,3a,75y,309.34h,100.34t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1spdEboDfgp6ZOGTfGtNNq0w!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en https://www.google.se/maps/@59.3433863,18.0697072,3a,75y,309...
- mabbo 9y agoThe Azrieli School of Architecture building at Carleton University in Ottawa is a bizarre building that a lot of Architect students have their courses in. The legend on campus is that the building was designed purposely to be filled with architectural flaws so that students would learn from them. I have no idea if it's true, but it certainly would explain a lot. Perhaps your architect's school has a similar idea in mind. Because seriously, that is a dull looking building.
- maxerickson 9y agoI can see how it could be good to make future architects suffer bad architecture along their way.
- jedberg 9y ago
- jostmey 9y agoOne very tall skyscraper might be a contra-indicator for economic health, like Dubai. All the wealth is concentrated in a few hands. But lots of tall skyscrapers going up everywhere? Lots of people are accumulating lots of wealth. That's some form of progress
- ballenarosada 9y agoLots of skyscrapers are also contraindicators, unless you think that there are only like 10 thousand people in society.
- chvid 9y agoAnd 0 in Europe.
- igravious 9y agoAs a European. Ouch. It's not like there's no economic activity in Europe so I wonder why that is? We don't like verticality?
- ptaipale 9y agoYes. We don't like verticality. That is actually true in much of Europe. One reason for this comes from geography: Europe is further away from the equator than most other prosperous areas, e.g. US or China. This means that the sun shines diagonally and is particularly low in the winter. And if you build high towers, the neighbours will be deprived of direct sunlight. Due to daylight norms, high buildings don't actually achieve any higher density.
- maxxxxx 9y agoWhen you look at Frankfurt they mostly achieve a lot of empty sterile space around them.
- orf 9y agoWhy might that be?
- MikeTheGreat 9y agoReally? This one is 1,082 feet tall. I mean long. :) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15847093 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15847093 It would be fascinating to see some sort of multidimensional analysis of the different construction types in order to get a feel for the significance of skyscrapers vs. more distributed structures, etc.
- ra1n85 9y ago>construnction
- gondo 9y agoTokyo "Sky Mile Tower" is missing on the "proposed" list
- e0m 9y agoHere's diagrams of all of the tallest buildings by 2023 (including built ones) visually next to each other sorted by official height thanks to SkyscraperPage: http://skyscraperpage.com/diagrams/?searchID=207 http://skyscraperpage.com/diagrams/?searchID=207 The Skyscrapercenter doesn't include the Dubai Creek Tower which is also already under construction.
- psyc 9y agoThe Burj is the same height AGL as a mountain I used to climb regularly. No matter which way I look at it, I can't shake the perception that the tower is much, much taller than the mountain. I get it that the tower is thin while the mountain is broad, but I still can't perceive them as the same height.
- yeukhon 9y agoTo be honest, I don’t really understand if there are any practical motivations to race for the tallest building in record.
- mabbo 9y agoI suppose it's sort of like the practical motivations of formula 1 racing. The things learned while trying to push the limits to the extreme can lead to practical uses for everyday versions. For example, if these tall towers figure out a smarter way to move people vertically (non-cabled elevators?), that can be applied to the many 50-story buildings being built for more normal purposes.
- yeukhon 9y agoYeah, but if you build, let say, 50 more stories higher each time, while technically challenging for engineers and architects, the new knowledge we gain from each project seems less relevant and useful. I understand that geography, soil and weather system influences each design...