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> If they did, law enforcement could stop them and there wouldn't have been a need for this new law. So? Now, there is a law, and so what was legal before is n

> If they did, law enforcement could stop them and there wouldn't have been a need for this new law. So? Now, there is a law, and so what was legal before is not anymore. That is the point of creating new laws. > They can still make money off a German audience without any business presence in Germany. Legally, from the US. Where you are acting from does not have any influence on legality. If Germany has a law that makes what someone does in the US illegal, then it's illegal. Acting from the US only limits enforcability. If Facebook has no presence or business in Germany, Germany cannot do anything to enforce that law against Facebook. But it seems like Facebook is of the opinion that they have enough Business in Germany that it's worth for them to comply with the laws to be able to keep that business. > Advertisers don't all discriminate. Well, but most advertisers that want to advertise to a German audience are from Germany. If you want to be paid by advertisers from Germany, you better follow German laws, or Germany will seize the funds your German advertisers are paying you to pay fines or other debts that you owe in Germany.

hardwires 9y ago
>> So? Now, there is a law, and so what was legal before is not anymore. That's my whole point, it was legal before and they weren't "making money illegally" (as the parent claimed), hence my the need for new laws. >> Where you are acting from does not have any influence on legality. If Germany has a law that makes what someone does in the US illegal, then it's illegal. It's not illegal in the US, from which they are operating. That's what matters. Close to 100% of porn sites are probably doing things illegally from a German legislative point of view. They're making money off of horny Germany nonetheless. So, the idea that our laws can "teach" them is ludicrous. >> But it seems like Facebook is of the opinion that they have enough Business in Germany that it's worth for them to comply with the laws to be able to keep that business. Yes, they chose that tradeoff over leaving the market, because at the end of the day they don't give a fuck. They did the same for China. They are probably working on AI-based deletion bots as we speak. What a great success, eh? >> Well, but most advertisers that want to advertise to a German audience are from Germany. If you want to be paid by advertisers from Germany, you better follow German laws, or Germany will seize the funds your German advertisers are paying you to pay fines or other debts that you owe in Germany. Oh really? When has that ever happened? If I turn off my adblock, most of what I get is international brands (YMMV), so even if all the German advertisers were gone, it would be a drop in a bucket. Maybe big enough of a drop for the company to care, maybe not, but the point remains that it is that the users stand to lose more here than any of the companies involved.
- zAy0LfpBZLC8mAC 9y ago
  > That's my whole point, it was legal before and they weren't "making money illegally" (as the parent claimed), hence my the need for new laws. Yeah, once upon a time, murder was legal, and people weren't "murdering illegally", so why the need for a law against murder? > It's not illegal in the US, from which they are operating. That's what matters. Well, if you aren't interested in reality, why are we even discussing? > Close to 100% of porn sites are probably doing things illegally from a German legislative point of view. They're making money off of horny Germany nonetheless. http://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/stgb/BJNR001270871.html#BJNR001270871BJNG000302307 http://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/stgb/BJNR001270871.html#BJ... German law itself limits its geographic applicability, and therefore that limit can be changed just as any other rules in the law.
  - hardwires 9y ago
    >> Yeah, once upon a time, murder was legal, and people weren't "murdering illegally", so why the need for a law against murder? The POINT is that the parent claimed Facebook is acting illegally, my point is they were not!. There's no argument against the law itself to be found within that, you can stop trying. >> Well, if you aren't interested in reality, why are we even discussing? What are you talking about? I am discussing reality. You must be missing the point again, which is the following: Even if something is illegal in Germany, you can not enforce German law on every company that stands to profit from a German audience. Therefore, if you want to use German law to "teach" those companies, you're out of luck. As a German myself, I am very glad about this, because (for example) I don't have to wait until 10PM and verify my identity to consume government-sanctioned pornography, as German law would require. You don't see a lot of people asking for respect and enforcement of those laws, yet as soon as it comes to "hate speech" the nanny-state-conformists come out of the woodwork... >> German law itself limits its geographic applicability, and therefore that limit can be changed just as any other rules in the law. The porn law applies in the same way that the hate speech laws apply, insofar as they're dealing with German "customers".
    - zAy0LfpBZLC8mAC 9y ago

hardwires 9y ago

>> So? Now, there is a law, and so what was legal before is not anymore. That's my whole point, it was legal before and they weren't "making money illegally" (as the parent claimed), hence my the need for new laws. >> Where you are acting from does not have any influence on legality. If Germany has a law that makes what someone does in the US illegal, then it's illegal. It's not illegal in the US, from which they are operating. That's what matters. Close to 100% of porn sites are probably doing things illegally from a German legislative point of view. They're making money off of horny Germany nonetheless. So, the idea that our laws can "teach" them is ludicrous. >> But it seems like Facebook is of the opinion that they have enough Business in Germany that it's worth for them to comply with the laws to be able to keep that business. Yes, they chose that tradeoff over leaving the market, because at the end of the day they don't give a fuck. They did the same for China. They are probably working on AI-based deletion bots as we speak. What a great success, eh? >> Well, but most advertisers that want to advertise to a German audience are from Germany. If you want to be paid by advertisers from Germany, you better follow German laws, or Germany will seize the funds your German advertisers are paying you to pay fines or other debts that you owe in Germany. Oh really? When has that ever happened? If I turn off my adblock, most of what I get is international brands (YMMV), so even if all the German advertisers were gone, it would be a drop in a bucket. Maybe big enough of a drop for the company to care, maybe not, but the point remains that it is that the users stand to lose more here than any of the companies involved.

zAy0LfpBZLC8mAC 9y ago
> That's my whole point, it was legal before and they weren't "making money illegally" (as the parent claimed), hence my the need for new laws. Yeah, once upon a time, murder was legal, and people weren't "murdering illegally", so why the need for a law against murder? > It's not illegal in the US, from which they are operating. That's what matters. Well, if you aren't interested in reality, why are we even discussing? > Close to 100% of porn sites are probably doing things illegally from a German legislative point of view. They're making money off of horny Germany nonetheless. http://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/stgb/BJNR001270871.html#BJNR001270871BJNG000302307 http://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/stgb/BJNR001270871.html#BJ... German law itself limits its geographic applicability, and therefore that limit can be changed just as any other rules in the law.
- hardwires 9y ago
  >> Yeah, once upon a time, murder was legal, and people weren't "murdering illegally", so why the need for a law against murder? The POINT is that the parent claimed Facebook is acting illegally, my point is they were not!. There's no argument against the law itself to be found within that, you can stop trying. >> Well, if you aren't interested in reality, why are we even discussing? What are you talking about? I am discussing reality. You must be missing the point again, which is the following: Even if something is illegal in Germany, you can not enforce German law on every company that stands to profit from a German audience. Therefore, if you want to use German law to "teach" those companies, you're out of luck. As a German myself, I am very glad about this, because (for example) I don't have to wait until 10PM and verify my identity to consume government-sanctioned pornography, as German law would require. You don't see a lot of people asking for respect and enforcement of those laws, yet as soon as it comes to "hate speech" the nanny-state-conformists come out of the woodwork... >> German law itself limits its geographic applicability, and therefore that limit can be changed just as any other rules in the law. The porn law applies in the same way that the hate speech laws apply, insofar as they're dealing with German "customers".
  - zAy0LfpBZLC8mAC 9y ago