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I know and have known so many non-convicted people who turn angry, grumpy and sometimes violent when they are even 30 to 60 minutes late eating a meal. One pers

by scoggs 9y ago

I know and have known so many non-convicted people who turn angry, grumpy and sometimes violent when they are even 30 to 60 minutes late eating a meal. One person in particular sticks out. I could easily see how if his diet were suddenly cut of essential vitamins and nutrients he'd most certainly have the same effect without knowing why. In my head I'd equate the results of such a thing happening being even worse because of the compounding frustration and lack of understanding for why coupled with the feeling of not having eaten a proper, hunger satiating meal.

DoreenMichele 9y ago
Thank you. even worse because of the compounding frustration and lack of understanding for why coupled with the feeling of not having eaten a proper, hunger satiating meal. In the case of the current prison population, it is even worse than that because they are simply assumed to be violent, maladjusted etc and no one at all wonders if their health impacts it, even in cases where they have a diagnosis of being HIV positive or having TB. When a middle class person is having a health crisis and acts out, the odds are good that people will cut them some slack and hope they feel better soon. When a prisoner does so, hey, he is just a criminal with no redeeming value and we should lock him up and throw away the key.
- scoggs 9y ago
  I'm sure it's written somewhere, tucked away, that keeping prisoners, captives or other types of incarcerated criminals and POW's on a bare minimum diet (2000 calories maybe?) sets a certain sort of tone to either get a desired effect out of those locked away or make them vulnerable to questioning if not reduced to only having enough energy for one short burst of energy in the event of a physical altercation. Of course this has to be against all sorts of laws and conventions so I doubt it's publicly traded knowledge but the whole idea reminds me of the grey area psychologists and interrogation specialists tend to talk about when topics like water boarding and other torture / effective interrogation methods are questioned.
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  - dsfyu404ed 9y ago
    IIRC jail (not prison) food is specifically designed to make people lethargic. Using food as something that can be modified to achieve a desired behavior is not a new thing. Applying scientific methods to it is more recent.
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  - bfuller 9y ago
    You are lucky to get 2000 calories a day
corysama 9y ago
Now imagine those people living on basically coffee, cigarettes and sugar. I remember reading the original BBC article years ago and that’s what they found a significant population of inmates were doing. After adding basically a 100% RDA vitamin and a fish oil pill, many of them reported being amazed to discover having self control for the first time in their lives.

by scoggs 9y ago

DoreenMichele 9y ago

Thank you. even worse because of the compounding frustration and lack of understanding for why coupled with the feeling of not having eaten a proper, hunger satiating meal. In the case of the current prison population, it is even worse than that because they are simply assumed to be violent, maladjusted etc and no one at all wonders if their health impacts it, even in cases where they have a diagnosis of being HIV positive or having TB. When a middle class person is having a health crisis and acts out, the odds are good that people will cut them some slack and hope they feel better soon. When a prisoner does so, hey, he is just a criminal with no redeeming value and we should lock him up and throw away the key.

scoggs 9y ago
I'm sure it's written somewhere, tucked away, that keeping prisoners, captives or other types of incarcerated criminals and POW's on a bare minimum diet (2000 calories maybe?) sets a certain sort of tone to either get a desired effect out of those locked away or make them vulnerable to questioning if not reduced to only having enough energy for one short burst of energy in the event of a physical altercation. Of course this has to be against all sorts of laws and conventions so I doubt it's publicly traded knowledge but the whole idea reminds me of the grey area psychologists and interrogation specialists tend to talk about when topics like water boarding and other torture / effective interrogation methods are questioned.
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- dsfyu404ed 9y ago
  IIRC jail (not prison) food is specifically designed to make people lethargic. Using food as something that can be modified to achieve a desired behavior is not a new thing. Applying scientific methods to it is more recent.
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- bfuller 9y ago
  You are lucky to get 2000 calories a day

corysama 9y ago

Now imagine those people living on basically coffee, cigarettes and sugar. I remember reading the original BBC article years ago and that’s what they found a significant population of inmates were doing. After adding basically a 100% RDA vitamin and a fish oil pill, many of them reported being amazed to discover having self control for the first time in their lives.