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I'm a small fish, but all of the customers who purchased a Windows Vista computer from me found Vista a joy to use. Their drivers worked, their programs worked

I'm a small fish, but all of the customers who purchased a Windows Vista computer from me found Vista a joy to use. Their drivers worked, their programs worked and the machines were fast. I think a much stronger reason for the bad rep would be that so many big-name labels sold Vista machines that were woefully under-powered and then loaded them with bloatware. I recall visiting a few customers who had new Vista computers from big brands and paid me to upgrade them within the first week of owning them!

TimJYoung 9y ago
You are 100% correct. I remember friends buying both desktops and laptops at the time that essentially contained XP-targeted processor/memory configurations, but instead now were shipped with 32-bit Vista. It was a perfect recipe for bad performance out of the gate, and that's before you even get into the pre-loaded McAfee, etc.
mirekrusin 9y ago
Exactly. This issue is being discussed a lot and nothing is being done to fight it. Microsoft and Google with Android - where the same issue can be seen - should step in with more proactive approach to solve this problem. I don't have a solution but they should probably use some business incentives and possibly something directly from OS like built in benchmark scores/graphs, ideally compared to bare bones for the device so everybody can see how much performance you loose by getting all those "features" preinstalled.
- pbhjpbhj 9y ago
  >Google with Android A lot of the bloat on Android phones I see is from Google, apps you can't uninstall without hacking. My Huawei had a few apps from the manufacturer, but they were removable - there's just under 20 Google Apps that came preinstalled many [most?] of which can't be removed.
  - jchw 9y ago
    In what sense are the Google apps bloated? When not running, many of them don't do anything.
    - user5994461 9y ago
      A lot of google apps are running on startup. They backup your files, contacts and profiles with the cloud periodically and wait for messages/emails.
      - vetinari 9y ago
        They are not running, only Play Services is and you need that anyway. It is event based, the app is only launched and notified, when the push notification comes. And even that may be delayed, because the push notifications might be delayed to get the radio the chance to sleep and save battery.
        bigbugbag 9y ago
        They are running on my two android phones (4.2, 4.4 and 6.0). Android tries to scare me off stopping them will not allow me to disable most of them. I do not need play services, why would I need it for ? I'm not even sure what this does apart from insta-gobbling my 50Mo monthly data plan downloading updates I don't want and cannot cancel of applications I do not use.
        vetinari 9y ago
        Play Services is a framework, used by other apps, includes handling Google Accounts and push notifications (and this is only the top of the iceberg). Without it, your device would become Kindle-like, and all the apps that do not run on Kindle (or other, Google-less Android versions) would not run on yours too. On my personal phone (Sony), I have only Play Services, Play Store, Gmail, Hangouts, Maps and Youtube enabled. All the other are disabled, including the 'Google' app.
- proactivesvcs 9y ago
  Microsoft did actually introduce a certification programme, as well as start to sell their own systems (other than Surface). I can't recall the brand they used but it seemed like a great idea. Seemed like. Whenever I quoted one to a customer they always turned their nose down at the price, then paid me several hours to debloat the thing, fix a driver that was shipped faulty, then a year later pay me again to upgrade it! Oh and replace the useless battery. The list goes on!
  - NickNameNick 9y ago
    I think you're looking for "Signature Edition" - eg devices sold by microsoft with a clean (ish?) windows install.
- fiiv 9y ago
  > Google with Android Case in point: Sony. The amount of CRAP that comes with the Xperia is insane. There was an uninstallable "What's New" app that would notify incessantly when it wanted to push some new app that Sony probably made money on shilling. And never mind the Google crap. The day I dumped it an installed LineageOS made my phone usable again.
  - brokenmachine 9y ago
    Samsung has the same garbage. Stupid apps on their own pseudo-appstore that update all the time.
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bigbugbag 9y ago
The bad rep for vista comes from it getting in the way of using the computer among other things such as being bugged. I remember an update downloading itself and applying itself at shutdown then restarting to apply itself some more and looping like this indefinitely. Best update ever \o/

TimJYoung 9y ago

You are 100% correct. I remember friends buying both desktops and laptops at the time that essentially contained XP-targeted processor/memory configurations, but instead now were shipped with 32-bit Vista. It was a perfect recipe for bad performance out of the gate, and that's before you even get into the pre-loaded McAfee, etc.

mirekrusin 9y ago

Exactly. This issue is being discussed a lot and nothing is being done to fight it. Microsoft and Google with Android - where the same issue can be seen - should step in with more proactive approach to solve this problem. I don't have a solution but they should probably use some business incentives and possibly something directly from OS like built in benchmark scores/graphs, ideally compared to bare bones for the device so everybody can see how much performance you loose by getting all those "features" preinstalled.

pbhjpbhj 9y ago
>Google with Android A lot of the bloat on Android phones I see is from Google, apps you can't uninstall without hacking. My Huawei had a few apps from the manufacturer, but they were removable - there's just under 20 Google Apps that came preinstalled many [most?] of which can't be removed.
- jchw 9y ago
  In what sense are the Google apps bloated? When not running, many of them don't do anything.
  - user5994461 9y ago
    A lot of google apps are running on startup. They backup your files, contacts and profiles with the cloud periodically and wait for messages/emails.
    - vetinari 9y ago
      They are not running, only Play Services is and you need that anyway. It is event based, the app is only launched and notified, when the push notification comes. And even that may be delayed, because the push notifications might be delayed to get the radio the chance to sleep and save battery.
      - bigbugbag 9y ago
        They are running on my two android phones (4.2, 4.4 and 6.0). Android tries to scare me off stopping them will not allow me to disable most of them. I do not need play services, why would I need it for ? I'm not even sure what this does apart from insta-gobbling my 50Mo monthly data plan downloading updates I don't want and cannot cancel of applications I do not use.
        vetinari 9y ago
        Play Services is a framework, used by other apps, includes handling Google Accounts and push notifications (and this is only the top of the iceberg). Without it, your device would become Kindle-like, and all the apps that do not run on Kindle (or other, Google-less Android versions) would not run on yours too. On my personal phone (Sony), I have only Play Services, Play Store, Gmail, Hangouts, Maps and Youtube enabled. All the other are disabled, including the 'Google' app.
proactivesvcs 9y ago
Microsoft did actually introduce a certification programme, as well as start to sell their own systems (other than Surface). I can't recall the brand they used but it seemed like a great idea. Seemed like. Whenever I quoted one to a customer they always turned their nose down at the price, then paid me several hours to debloat the thing, fix a driver that was shipped faulty, then a year later pay me again to upgrade it! Oh and replace the useless battery. The list goes on!
- NickNameNick 9y ago
  I think you're looking for "Signature Edition" - eg devices sold by microsoft with a clean (ish?) windows install.
fiiv 9y ago
> Google with Android Case in point: Sony. The amount of CRAP that comes with the Xperia is insane. There was an uninstallable "What's New" app that would notify incessantly when it wanted to push some new app that Sony probably made money on shilling. And never mind the Google crap. The day I dumped it an installed LineageOS made my phone usable again.
- brokenmachine 9y ago
  Samsung has the same garbage. Stupid apps on their own pseudo-appstore that update all the time.

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bigbugbag 9y ago

The bad rep for vista comes from it getting in the way of using the computer among other things such as being bugged. I remember an update downloading itself and applying itself at shutdown then restarting to apply itself some more and looping like this indefinitely. Best update ever \o/