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- NegativeLatency 9y agoCouldn't get the page to load. http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://shahidkamal.com/macbook-pro-no/ http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://...
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- checker659 9y agoLoaded just fine for me (I'm in Asia though)
- jchw 9y agoI really enjoyed the Macbook Pro up till about 2014. I have no comments beyond that because the ones that followed were not interesting and I moved directly to Thinkpads.
- atmosx 9y agoI have the exact opposite experience so far. By all means, this is a professional laptop in my opinion. To expand a bit: - I love the keyboard, best I've seen on a laptop (I'm a 80+ WPM typist) - I don't have issues with the touchbar, getting used to quickly manage apps like spotify. - My default editor is vim and don't have issues with escape - Trackpad is the best I've seen on a laptop - The machine is fast - The screen is amazing - Battery life is decent ps. On the other side, I don't have experience working on a high-end XPS/Thinkpad, but the main reason to buy is the OS. My workflow and tools are tailored around the mac. It's not that I can't find my way through Linux or even a BSD Laptop running i3. It's that I don't want to.
- chrisper 9y ago>but the main reason to buy is the OS Is that still true? I feel like that argument is vanishing more and more these days.
- jen729w 9y agoGod yes. I—personally, just an opinion obviously—detest Windows. I viscerally hate it.
- bjpbakker 9y ago> God yes. I—personally, just an opinion obviously—detest Windows There's a lot more choice than just macOS and Windows.. :)
- CephalopodMD 9y agonah. I switch between windows, linux, and osx for work and personal use all the time. OSX is just fine. Windows is just fine. Linux is just fine. Everything is at about the same level of ability, the same level of suck, and the same level of "just works." Every modern OS is good looking, occasionally frustrating, and generally effective once you take a few days to figure them out.
- SirZimzim 9y agoI do the same, I have to install a few apps on Mac to help out with window management but otherwise I can't say any OS is a true game changer anymore.
- frabbit 9y agoThat's how I feel about it. There is a convergence towards common usability as long as you choose your graphics card carefully for GNU/Linux (no nvidia).
- macp 9y agoSome Linux distributions are very competitive nowadays, with many desktop environments to choose from. A key reason to own a Mac would be to build iOS apps and MacOS software.
- simonh 9y agoI had no problems loading the site. The old 15” MacBook Pro design with Iris Pro graphics looks like the best Mac laptop available right now, unless you cant cope without more graphics horsepower. For most of the last year I’ve been dithering about getting a new MacBook, and when I first saw the touchbar models I though that was the design for me, but I’ve never pulled the trigger. The negative issues individually wouldn’t be a big deal, so at first I discounted them, but taken altogether it’s too much. I’ll see what they come up with this year, and if they don’t address most of these issues I’ll look at getting a previous design machine second hand.
- killjoywashere 9y agoA company I work with wanted me to have a corporate laptop. I said I would only accept an original 15" rMBP, with keys and magsafe. I waited an extra 6 months until they got one for me. It's used but I don't care. As a vim user with kids and dogs, the new MBP is dead to me. Jony Ive needs to get out more.
- dmitriid 9y ago“Pro”. People should really start using quotes when saying “Macbook ‘Pro’” or omit “Pro” entirely. A good article about the Macbooks is “The Best Laptop Ever Made” https://marco.org/2017/11/14/best-laptop-ever https://marco.org/2017/11/14/best-laptop-ever
- stanislavb 9y agoI absolutely agree. I have the 2015 15' MacBook Pro and is so much better than the newer "pro" (touchbar) laptop I use at work.
- kimjongman 9y agoat least someone has the same thought as me
- lwansbrough 9y agoYeah I'm pretty sure this Macbook Pro I have from 2014 will be my first and last. I've loved it, I'd buy it again, if it was the same design with new specs. I'm not going to downgrade for the same or an increased price tag. And for what? Shaving 0.3lbs off? Worse battery life? Someone get those noodley Apple designers some weights to lift. And some brains.
- jackvalentine 9y agoEdit: The below is incorrect. The weight reduction surprisingly doesn’t have a lot to do with battery capacity. https://www.cnet.com/news/macbook-pro-october-2016-battery-life/ https://www.cnet.com/news/macbook-pro-october-2016-battery-l...
- lower 9y agoOk, so they couldn't increase the battery capacity. But why did they reduce it from 99.5 watt-hours to 76.0 watt-hours rather than just keeping it?
- jackvalentine 9y agoHalf in what terms?
- lower 9y agoI looked at the wrong rows in the table of capacities. So it's not a reduction by half. I corrected my message. But it's still a reduction in capacity (from 99.5 watt-hours to 76).
- jackvalentine 9y agoYou know what, I was under the impression the 15" had a 99.5wh battery. My mistake.
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- redbluething 9y agoI agree with everything in this post. I rarely use my laptop as a laptop. I stick it on my stand and plug in my Vortex Race3 and wait for Apple to make a laptop that doesn't suck.
- noncoml 9y agoMy only complaint is the lack of Escape key, but maybe Apple didn’t have touch typists in mind.
- laktak 9y agoYou can map ESC to CAPSLOCK in settings.
- tannhaeuser 9y agoYeah this is what killed the MacBook/Pro as a touch typist and vi user for me. Plus, the extreme low travel of the keys. Went with an XPS 13 instead, which I can fully recommend. The keyboard, in particular, works really well for me.
- plasma 9y agoI've been considering buying a new MacBook Pro, but the advice I hear is to just wait for the next model (in a few months?) and hope that it doesn't have all its USB ports removed or broken keyboard.
- pavlov 9y agoThe next model won’t change the port layout or the keyboard. Apple just doesn’t work like that. A redesign of the MBP isn’t due for years, and no amount of negative feedback will change that. (Look at the Mac Pro for a concrete example of this.)
- YetAnotherNick 9y agoI get what you are saying, buy Mac Pro is a bad example in this case. I think it's the only bad example here.
- pavlov 9y agoReally? When did Apple turn on a dime to bring out a refresh to a poorly received model? The 2002 iMac G4 (the "sunflower") was discontinued in June 2005 without a replacement in place. It wasn't until the end of the year that Apple brought out a redesigned iMac. If they could have introduced a new iMac faster, they certainly would have -- today it's almost inconceivable that they didn't have a consumer desktop for sale during much of 2005.
- jpkeisala 9y agoThats true but they might release new Macbook Air that does not suck. I would stay away from MBP. I switched to Dell XPS after being 10 years on Macs and I have been happy with it.
- cygned 9y agoI really enjoy mine. In the beginning, I really loved the keyboard, but recently it caused me trouble; shift key hangs sometimes, my m key feels like it is stuck and my space bar works only on the left half. Maybe I’d hand it in for repair. It’s a bit annoying but I can handle it. What frustrates me, though, is that I cannot connect a second screen without rebooting. Hopefully a High Sierra and not a hardware issue.
- a_c 9y agoI'm on an early 2015 MBP. Probably my last MBP. What recommendations have we?
- chrisbennet 9y agoI switched to a Dell XPS-15 after 2 MBP’s. It’s been pretty decent. I don’t use the keyboard or trackpad so I can’t comment on that. There is no real dock for it. The $200 one they sell as a docking station is really more of a port expander; it doesn’t charge your laptop and didn’t work with my monitors so I gave it away.
- tannhaeuser 9y agoDell XPS 13 or 15. Some will recommend ThinkPads, but in a side-by-side comparison two years ago, the XPS 13 won hands down against the Carbon X1 they had on display at the shop, for its much better display alone (and it's cheaper, too). ThinkPads keyboards are held in high esteem, but I found the XPS keyboard to work better for me. Didn't get a chance to play with the retro ThinkPads with old-school, non-chiclet keyboards, though. Dell last week introduced the XPS 13 developer edition with Ubuntu 16.04 preinstalled and officially supported. That would be the notebook I'd be buying in a heartbeat if mine stopped working or if I needed 16gb RAM (combination of 16gb and non-glare screen is only available in EU for now it seems).
- bartread 9y agoI have a similar problem to GP. Going to try to make my late 2015 MBP last another year, but not sure what to do next. Problem with the Dell XPS is it still only supports 16GB of RAM, which is getting to be aggravating for me. The reason I keep buying Macs though is OSX - I just like it. Linux would be a good fit in many ways, but you can't run Office 365 on it, which is unfortunately a deal breaker. (I know there are alternatives, but I don't really like them - the real killer for me is the loss of Excel.)
- tannhaeuser 9y agoA friend of mine holds on to an even older MBP. Due to Apple's generous replacement policy, he's recently got all parts save for the chassis replaced for free or for relatively little money, so sits in front of a brand-new 2012 MBP. But surely it would be appreciated if Apple could get over their design fixation. For me, there's nothing "Pro" with the MBP. "Pro" doesn't mean "bad-ass", but having (display, keyboard) options for me, a characteristic the MBP lost years ago when the current MBP line was introduced, with the design/aesthetics of the unibody chassis only working with a glare screen. The Touch Bar thingy, and it's mandatory-ness on higher end MBPs is as non-Pro as it gets. It can't be in Apple's interest that real pro users long for the days of old MacBooks/PowerBooks/Snow Leopard, can it? The 16gb limitation is something the MBPs suffer from as well, and is dictated by Intel chipsets, isn't it?
- pteredactyl 9y agoTouch bar has me seriously questioning my next purchase.
- ms013 9y agoI have to agree - same gripes for me. This MacBook is my 8th Apple laptop going back to sometime in the late 90s (my first was a pre-PowerPC PowerBook), and it's the first one where I really and truly have regretted the purchase. I've usually had a second laptop during that time (ThinkPad usually, Surface lately), and I've rarely had more nice things to say about the non-Apple machine until now. Also, the main selling point of Macs for me since 2001 when I made the big switch to an Apple-dominant hardware ecosystem was having a Unix-based system that had a reasonable desktop environment. Lately, the Windows Subsystem for Linux has been making me question if MacOS and the corresponding hardware is worth the headache.
- rexf 9y agoThe points brought up are mostly valid complaints. Although Apple would never increase the device thickness to give the user more battery life. I’m holding off on buying a MBP as the current keyboard has terrible travel distance and seems to be unusually susceptible to breaking from dust. If Apple had an updated MBP with a durable keyboard (maybe in a few years? hopefully), I’d buy it right away.
- dovdovdov 9y agoApple clearly aimed the new macbook pros at creative professionals (and wannabe end-consumers), hence the touchbar and the enormous trackpad. They got rid of the glowing logo to make the screen thinner. Anyways, Apple could afford to offer the dopest machine for software developers, without all the shenanigans, but with all the usability and performance.
- so33 9y agoFrom what I recall, the creative professional market has always been their intended "Pro" market. It's unfortunate that they are unwilling to offer a MacBook Pro Developer Edition, but it's not surprising given Apple's history.
- dovdovdov 9y agoHah, this is actually really true. My Xcode using half is constantly angry with Apple, but my Logic Pro using half is still in love. :)
- usaphp 9y agoWhile I agree on most of the topics. Especially on the touchbar(useless crap). But “make the display a 16” 4K HDR OLED” - why would you need a 4K in a 16”? It will just eat batter life
- oscilloscope 9y agoViewing and editing 4K video would be a pretty common use case on the largest MBP.
- sudhirj 9y agoWe’ve got a few a part of the upgrade cycle, but so far the keyboard issues alone have forced a revert to the old rMBPs. Keys just stopped working in the middle of a production bug, during the holiday season. The new switches make a pretty presentation, but Apple really needs to understand that as developers our jobs literally depend on them working well.
- foobaw 9y agoThese arguments are made for cell phones all the time too. The consensus is that it's impossible to please everyone. At least for phones, and this might be similar to laptops, we made decisions on everything based on intensive research, usability testing, and profitability. Companies can't simply cater to specific demographics and hope for the best. For example, the keyboard quality on the MBP could be a valid concern for some, but it's possible that it was a justifiable solution for them based on cost-reduction. (a worthy-risk, in their opinion. not mine, IMHO). It could be that the keyboard is perfectly fine for most people. Finding a delicate balance between every factor is a tough challenge, and I know for a fact that following every advice on the internet is not a solution.
- maaaats 9y agoDo you think the user research said to design a keyboard that has buttons that randomly doublepress? It's not just the author, everyone in my team with the new MacBook have the same issue with some buttons.
- foobaw 9y agoI slightly edited my comment. It's a valid claim and I totally agree that the keyboard is atrocious for me as well. But products aren't just made overnight. I can almost certainly guarantee that these issues came up before release, but they decided that the cost to fix it wasn't justifiable enough. I personally see a lot of problems with that but I'm just letting you know from my experience working at an OEM, Google, and a huge Electronics company.
- diziet 9y agoMy 'bb' key double-presses something like 60% of the time.
- ttn 9y agoI'm well aware that is it impossible to please everyone but do new MBs really please anyone?
- latch 9y agoI'm in the same boat with a broken keyboard. Was like that new. Got it repaired (which involved flying to a different country). Better, but still happens. Very frustrated. I was going to get the new XPS 13, but: - Isn't available in my country (online store doesn't ship in my country anyways) - Doesn't seem available in Singapore or Malaysia - Only 8GB option in Taiwan - 16GB option only available with UHD and 1TB SSD in HK (neither of which I want, nor want to pay for) All these country-specific sites are awful to use and navigate and digest. If they can't get this right, I'm thinking the many complaints about the hardware aren't exaggerated. So...ya. Still dreaming that Google's Pixelbook will officially support Linux at some point.
- 314 9y agoI went the same way. Used to have a MBP that lasted for years (from ~2008). When it finally imploded I got a MBA. Amazung battery life for my work pattern (mostly terminals and vim). It would routinely get 12-14hr, although that would drop to 8-9 if I opened a web-browser and watched video or did anything js heavy. Sadly I had to get rid of the MBA and did not like the look pf this year’s macs, so I got a XPS13. It is a nice machine, but it has issues. - Network adaptor is shit. Flakey, loses connection, incompatible with our cisco routers, power draw is completely unstable. - Keyboard is really nice. - Screen is a bit dim. - Touchopad registers phantom touches constantly, driver support for elimination doesn’t work. I’ve still got it running ubuntu 16.04. Everything on it mostly works, but to be a nice machine: - network adaptor needs a complete replacement. - get used to disabling the touchpad.
- craigc 9y agoSo strange. I posted this exact site hours ago and now it is on the top of hacker news. Not sure how that happened since it is the same url. I guess the algorithm doesn’t like me. In any case, I have been a Mac user my entire life. I too have one of the 2016 MacBook Pros and I have to say I hate it. I previously owned an iBook, two PowerBooks, a MacBook Pro, and a MacBook Air. This is by far the worst Apple laptop I have ever owned. My parents needed a new Mac laptop and I recommended the 13 inch air cause it is the only usable one in their entire product line now. I was thinking of writing a similar post about all the issues I have but the main thing is the keyboard. What good is a computer that you can’t type on. One spec of dust or one crumb and your keyboard is done. My space bar sometimes inserts two spaces and sometimes inserts spaces between letters. My left command key doesn’t register half the time which is insanely frustrating since I use keyboard shortcuts for everything. Some days I feel like throwing it out the window. The sad thing is I actually prefer the FEEL of the keyboard and the travel to the old one, but the issues with keys not working correctly are too much to overcome. In addition I have talked to a lot of people who have a new MacBook Pro and I haven’t found one person who hasn’t had an issue with the keyboard. I’m honestly shocked there hasn’t been a class action suit yet. It probably wouldn’t matter anyway cause Apple would just give me a free can of compressed air and blame me for eating over my keyboard. I previously had an 11 inch MacBook Air and it was perfect just missing the Retina display. Apple went ahead and did all this stuff they thought people would want without understanding that no one cared, and they ruined a perfectly good product.
- thomasfoster96 9y ago> What good is a computer that you can’t type on. One spec of dust or one crumb and your keyboard is done. My space bar sometimes inserts two spaces and sometimes inserts spaces between letters. Is there a laptop where this isn’t a problem?
- tonyedgecombe 9y agoAnecdotal I know but my wife uses my Thinkpad in the kitchen whilst baking and it's fine.
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- mrweasel 9y agoI think it depends on what your profession is. The article read more like a list of minor annoyances to me, but I may have a very different usage compared to the author. The problem to me is, that if I want to switch from the Mac, I have no where to go. I have yet to see another laptop in the same build quality or and OS that just let me do my work to the extend that MacOS does. Apple is far from perfect, and the Mac is moving in the wrong direction, yet they are currently still the best offer out there.
- Veen 9y ago> The article read more like a list of minor annoyances to me It is mostly a list of minor annoyances, and if MacBook Pros were about half their current price, it would make sense to accept them as inevitable. But when you're paying close to $2800 (or £2800 - about $3800 -- if you're in the UK) for a laptop you have the right to expect better. If I want a crappy keyboard and a short battery life, I can have them without paying a massive premium.
- jnsaff2 9y agoAlso depends on your profession. I DevOps and was tired of waiting for the new MacBook Pro (I have the 2012 Pro which is showing its age), so a few months before they released the current iteration I got the skull canyon nuc and put Linux with i3 on it. It is so easy to chuck into a bag and carry between work and home (you need monitors, power and keyboard at both places though). I am so much more productive with i3 and the only thing that Linux so far does not do for me is Photo management. So I have dual boot with windows and Lightroom. Looking at how bad the new macOS is, I feel I made the right decision and tiling WM is such an incredible productivity/mind clarity boost. At some point I might get an XPS 15 or similar. But for now this works perfectly.
- geetfun 9y agoSo I bought a MBP 13 Mid-2017 Non touch bar. The left shift key started failing about 2 months ago. Went to Apple, and they replaced the key which seemed to have fixed it. It started failing again this week. I noticed there's a bit of correlation with how hot the machine is running. Ironically, I bought this upgrade to my previous MBP (another 13" from 2013) to run docker better -- but for anyone who runs docker for development knows, the machine runs hot. The keyboard isn't so bad once you get used to it (I type fairly fast at 120-150 wpm), but the keyboard reliability issue is really something that bugs me as it affects productivity. If you're a programmer, needing to train to use the shift key on the contralateral side is a pain -- especially give all the muscle memory that's been trained over the years.
- neya 9y agoThe removal of the Magsafe port alone conveys someone stopped believing in what they believed in strongly before. [1] Now that Apple has taken a controversial stance on the design of the newer Macbooks (no Magsafe, fewer ports, no ESC key, etc.), I think it's going to be hard for them to fallback to their previous design as that would be an admittance of their failure. And this alone means to me I wouldn't be buying a laptop from them for the next couple of years until they admit they screwed up, or come up with a better solution. This is a classic example of don't fix something if it ain't broke. At the same time, I can't imagine myself using a HP or Lenovo either after being used to the MacOS ecosystem. All one can do is just hope, I guess. For the record, I own a retina 2014 MacbookPro, and I think it's the perfect machine for any programmer. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hzseCyqr4s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hzseCyqr4s
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- zegl 9y agoMy biggest issue with the MPB is that if you accidentally press Option+[Any touch bar icon] the System Preferences will open. This happens quite a lot for me on a keyboard with Swedish layout, where it is easy to accidentally rest my right pinky on the touch bar when when writing chars such as { and [. * "(" is Option+8 * "{" is Option+Shift+8
- Veen 9y agoI had no idea that alt + Touch Bar opens the display preferences or the sound preferences. Quite a useful tip!
- mh- 9y ago(fyi to those of us holdouts..) On the older ones with real keys it does the same thing: alt+volume => opens sound prefs alt+brightness => display prefs alt+mission control => .. alt+keyboard backlight => keyboard also, unrelated but occasionally useful.. alt+shift allows you to adjust volume/brightness in fractional increments.
- lobo_tuerto 9y agoI have no complaints about the MacBook Pro I got from Mid 2014. It's been used with OSX, Ubuntu and now with Manjaro Linux. It's a very solid machine, pretty awesome hardware. But since I'm not going back to OSX, if I were to renew my laptop I wouldn't get one of the MacBook's newest models, I'd just go for a good machine from Lenovo or something.
- atsjie 9y agoI'm using my MacBook Pro with an external mouse, keyboard and screen both at the office and at home. Haven't opened it in months now. Perhaps Apple had that in mind when they thought of adding "Pro(fessional)" to their MacBook? No complaints here!
- Bogdanp 9y agoI, for one, love my 2016 MBP a year after buying it. > Typing I got used to the new keyboard after about a week and going back to my previous-gen MBP the smaller keys and extra travel just feels awkward. I type at a speed of about 120WPM, fwiw. > Touch Bar Maybe it's because I keep decent posture, but the touch bar is always in sight for me, and I've learned where all the standard buttons are situated by heart anyway. Plus, it's neat when apps have touch bar controls. > Track Pad Again, switching between the prev-gen MBP and this one the difference is massive. I never touch the larger track pad accidentally (I'm 6'1" and have relatively large hands, again, maybe it comes down to posture). He's right about the shitty cursor keys on the new gen. > Power supply Although I miss magsafe, I don't miss the shitty chords they came with (I think I went through about 10 chargers because I'm prone to moving my laptop while keeping it charged, and that damages the chord in magsafe chargers). I much prefer being able to plug the charger anywhere over magsafe, however. > Battery Life The battery life is as good or better than my old gen's was when it was new. Compared to my old gen now, it lasts about 2-3x as long based on the workload. My only real problem with it is the increasingly shitty software, but the prev-gen MBP doesn't fix that. :)
- bogomipz 9y agoI am a former new MBP owner who concurs with all of this. I would have actually considered looking past everything in this author's list with the exception of the keyboard. At first I thought it was just my fingers adjusting to the new keyboards after years of a previous generation. But after almost 6 months of not adjusting I gave it up and sold it. You have to bank pretty hard on the keys and they have this horrible cheap "plastic-y" feeling to them. The old thick rubber keys were one of the best parts of the older MBPs. The new keys give the sensation that they are sticking or perhaps something has become lodged under them. I found it to be truly a deal-breaker and could not fathom how Apple thought this was in any way an acceptable experience or an improvement. If you are considering buying one I would suggest bringing your old MBP to an Apple Store and trying them side by side. And then realize that the keyboard on the new MBP will always feel that awkward.
- mthoms 9y agoI felt like this about the keyboard for about 4-5 months. Now that I'm totally used to it, I prefer it over the old style keyboard. The old style keyboard now feels mushy and clumsy to me. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
- bogomipz 9y agoInteresting, this is close to the amount of time where I decided to throw in the towel. Do you agree that this seems like a particularly long period of adjustment? I have been through many new laptop purchases at this point in my life and I can't ever remember the a period of adjustment longer than say a week or two tops.
- mthoms 9y agoYes I agree. After a month or so, I wasn't expecting things to change. Of course, this begs the question - is it actually better or is it just that I'm accustomed to it now? All I can say is that going back to the old keyboard feels very wrong. I'd still prefer to have a real escape key but I've remapped it to CAPS LOCK and it's good enough.
- suresk 9y agoMy personal laptop is a 2012 15" Retina MBP, and my work one is a new 15" with the TouchBar. This is, by far, the longest I've kept a laptop and I'm sorta dreading having to replace it (it is having some reliability/battery issues lately) for pretty much the reasons the author described - they match my experience with the new MBPs. Admittedly, a lot of the things come down to personal preference. I've met a lot of people who like the new keyboard (I slightly prefer the old one, but I hate hate hate the arrow key configuration on the new ones), use the TouchBar a lot (100% useless and annoying for me), and enjoy the extra space on the new touchpad (I really dislike how big it is - I accidentally click a lot). The really worrying thing, though, is how unreliable the new keyboards are, and how difficult they are to replace. Repairability is pretty terrible with Apple. I'm not holding my breath for Apple to change any of the design decisions they've made with the MBP lately, but hopefully they can at least address reliability issues with the keyboard. Given all that, plus how unreliable OS X has been for me lately, it is tempting to consider non-Apple alternatives, but it is hard to say if any of them are actually going to be any better. Either way, I don't feel the same about them now as I have from the early 2000s until 2012.
- usaphp 9y ago“but I hate hate hate the arrow key configuration on the new ones)” Not sure why they removed empty space on top of left and right arrows, but this change had the biggest affect on my performance while writing code, I used that blank space to navigate my way around the keyboard, now it’s gone I keep pressing wrong keys. They did the same on the new magic keyboard as well, I hate the guts of it.
- majewsky 9y agohjkl forever
- Corrado 9y agoYes, the new MBP keyboard has the same arrow key layout as the new Apple wireless keyboard, and I despise it. My fingers are constantly trying, and failing, to find the proper arrow key to press and I end up having to look at the keyboard. The only hope is that they change it back in the next version (along with removing the ridiculous TouchBar), but I'm not holding my breath.
- emptybits 9y agoI write this as an overall Apple enthusiast. I used to say this every year but I haven't been able to say it for years: "I want the latest MacBook Pro because it's the best yet." It's just not anymore. :-( Have several MacBook Pros. Favourite is still 15" mid-2015 with Iris Pro. Would buy again. Previous to 2015, my 2009 and 2011 MacBook Pros are still loved and will likely receive maintenance and use for years because they have easy to upgrade RAM, SSD, and a somewhat easily replaced battery. None of the new offering turns my head, and they wouldn't even if they were cheaper. So what a perverse trend this is. I think it's truly a design failure of the entire MacBook Pro product line.
- magicbuzz 9y agoAlthough well-written, I wonder why people buy laptops when they seem inherently poorly suited for their requirements. Most of the complaints seem to be things that are obvious. I've been using MBPs since 2000. But 6 months ago bought a ThinkPad Carbon X1 and lovin' it. Always seems to have battery all the time.
- jespern 9y agoI can't speak for everyone, but I'm pretty married to OSX at this point. Using anything else would be too much time invested in setting up the environment as I'm used to, and finding similar applications for everything. Windows 10 is atrocious, and Linux isn't much better.
- latch 9y agoPrivacy and integrity is important enough for me to hold Lenovo accountable for their multiple failures by not giving them money.
- lionradio 9y agoIn my company all developers work on MBPs and none of them says even a positive word on the new generation. To add to the article: Ethernet over USB-C is sluggy at best. We had to change two devices over GPU failures (never happened before). I found myself playing around with the Surface Book and it felt like cheating on my wife ... I bought about 100 MacBook Pros for me and my company and it feels like this is the last generation in use. I still can remember the joy I felt when I opened my first MBP and I think I will not forget the disappointment from the current generation.
- CephalopodMD 9y agosurface book is bae
- buildbot 9y agoDevils Advocate Response to this: If the keyboard is failing on a 2016, take advantage of Apple's stores and get it replaced under warranty and with far less hassle than say, Dell with an XPS 15 and failed motherboard. (From experience with both.) Battery life is typically quoted at 5 hours doing something relatively intensive, and 6-7 in general for the 15 inch. 4 hours must be heavy, high CPU and GPU use. I'm not sure what other pro laptops achieve in this area, but I doubt it's much higher unless they use the absolute newest GPUs and CPUs. It is a step back from the 2015 Gen, at least with the 2016s. I think this is actually partly Intel's fault for not supporting LPDDR4. Touch bar is eh, maybe not a pro feature, although it seems like it would be nice for sliders when editing photos? No ESC key can be an issue, although many "pros" apparently map this to caps lock anyway. I agree on the trackpad, it's too large. Ports is a tricky one. No normal USB or Display ports is a giant pain, but 4 Thunderbolt/charging ports is super nice and will attach to some really high speed, expensive pro stuff. No SD card is perhaps, a missing pro feature. Then again, the very highest end cameras now use XQD or CFast. And the built in card reader has never been fast compared to a good external reader. Would a real pro machine have this port? Probably. Does it make the macbook pro not a pro machine? Doubtful. The charging light and other power supply issues are USB-C trade-offs. People yelled at apple for using a custom, non-accessible port, then got angry when they used a standard port. I love my magsafe port, but I also like the idea that I no longer have to but expensive apple power supplies to replace a failed one. And on the display and no glowing apple logo, I think they removed the logo because they couldn't make the display thin enough with it and not comprise the displays uniformity. And 4k OLED would result in a 3800$ machine with worst battery life, that's a lot of light to power and pixels to drive...
- daveFNbuck 9y ago> Would a real pro machine have this port? Probably. Does it make the macbook pro not a pro machine? Doubtful. If a real pro machine would have the port, then the macbook pro is not a real pro machine. How can you get probably for the first question but not for the second?
- pfranz 9y ago> Ports is a tricky one. I agree with you here. I looked around at PC laptops and all of them had a combination of ports that felt like a compromise. > The charging light and other power supply issues are USB-C trade-offs. Personally, I'm bummed the battery indicator lights are gone as well as the charging indicator. I don't think they had to ditch the charging light because of USB-C because third parties are doing it[1]. The charging USB-C that ships with MacBook Pros is already a beefier, more expensive USB-C cable than the data-only ones. [1] https://www.moshi.com/usb-c-charge-cable https://www.moshi.com/usb-c-charge-cable
- desireco42 9y agoI agree with everything that is written in this article. Same experience and same impressions. I have to use new mbp at work. Who would have thought that too much of track pad can be bad, not me. And how many times I accidentally pressed stupid touch pad and lowered lighting, thinking that machine is shutting down on me. Only thing I didn't have a problem with, battery life. Works fine for me.
- djaychela 9y agoI've recently bought my first MBP, and I agree with some of the points on here, but not all of them. The main thing I would agree with is the cursor keys - despite having spent a couple of months with mine, the up/down cursor keys (which I use a lot) aren't good - full size ones would have been better, IMO, but they of course would ruin the look. 2 Thunderbolt ports isn't enough - I think there should be a couple of USB ports. I've not missed the SD card slot, but then I'm not a photographer, but a lot of MBP users are; having to have a dongle all the time for these would be a real pain. With my Cubase dongle and iLok, I can't charge the macbook without a hub, and that's not very good. The loss of Magsafe is also a bad idea; previously I had a macbook air (I bought it cheap as a test to see if I wanted to go all in on a MBP for my next laptop), which had it, and it saved it a couple of times when the kids weren't careful. So much so that I've bought a USB-C 'magsafe' adapter which I generally leave plugged into the side now. I find the keyboard to be good, though; I actually got a 20 minute go on a student's new MBP to see if I'd get on with the keyboard as I was sceptical about it; it's much better than I thought it would be, although I don't like the sound - it's quite loud (or maybe I'm heavy-handed). Hopefully the reliability will be better than the OP's. A lot of the other issues mentioned are things that were generally known as soon as the models were announced, though? Lack of a physical esc key, etc... and indeed some of the things that I'm not so keen on above are things I was aware of before buying; only the cursor keys and keyboard noise weren't. The things mentioned above were all compromises I took when purchasing, but maybe that's the poster's point - that a 'Pro' machine shouldn't have such compromises, particularly when they don't mean anything is sacficed other than a clean look or a mm off the height/200g off the weight? There are a lot of positives from the MBP though - the build quality is miles ahead of everything else I've ever owned, and the screen is fantastic; I have taken to using the MBP for screenshots for the book (using Cubase) that I've written as nearly every bit of text looks better than it does on Windows. I've not found the battery life to be as bad as mentioned in the article, but I know this is strongly dependent on usage, and I've spent the majority of my time on mine learning Python, but when I've used Cubase it's not been as good, but not as bad as in the article. I did spend a lot of time looking at what else I could buy for similar money, but I wasn't sure I'd have the longevity from any other brand; most of my PC laptops have lasted about 18 months before hardware failure (this is averaged over the last 15 years) - with only one exception, the last one which managed 4 years. I've bought the MBP as an investment due to being made largely redundant and wanting to spend a couple of years learning new skills to hopefully move towards a career in programming; I didn't want (and couldn't afford) a computer that would die in 18 months' time, and generally Macbooks seem to be long-lived (and have good residuals after 5 years).
- zkomp 9y agoSad to see Apple drop the ball completely with all the little things. I've seen issues with the touchbar and keyboard from all my collegues. As a long time apple user, (since forever, early 90ties) I will never buy one of these pieces of expensive shit ever. A new design with escape and functional keyboard is required to get me back...
- adanto6840 9y agoI usually buy a "new" (refurbished via Apple) Macbook Pro every 1-3 years, typically just before the end of the year. I've held off the last few years just because my current MBP has been good enough, the spec bumps haven't been large enough, and because I was unsure about the new keyboard & the lack of a hardware ESC -- and the dubious value of the touchbar, though I did find it intriguing to potentially write some code for it. I caved and bought one in late November, and just returned in a few weeks ago -- I'm now typing this from my "new (refurbished) 2015 Macbook Pro (non-touchbar) that was delivered today. I'm much, much happier. Perhaps a fluke, but it's the first MBP I've returned out of ~10 that I've purchased the last 10 years or so. Aside from the ESC key, the keyboard itself was awful -- the [lack of] key travel was irksome though surmountable by itself. The arrow keys were almost painful to deal with, but those too may have been OK in a vacuum. But when a KeyDown on the 'G' key was a dice roll -- 40% expected result, one 'G'; 40% two 'G' KeyDowns; and 10% of the time, no KeyDown at all. I can't recall the last time I had a computer issue that was anywhere near as rage-inspiring -- and that, coupled with the already poor keyboard experience & the already-dubious value adds, was enough for me to return it. I will perhaps miss the fingerprint reader fluff, but frankly I'm thrilled to be back on a proven laptop platform again, and it's also great that my existing >10 chargers work for my laptop again, too. I really, really hope that they have come to their senses & released an improved MBP in the future -- hell, keep the same form factor and just add RAM+CPU+GPU, or just let me upgrade RAM+SSD again. I'll seriously consider a Windows laptop the next time around if there isn't a semi-decent MBP option at that point -- it's a bummer, too -- but may not be much choice.
- keymone 9y agomeh.. we've heard all this many times, most comes down to personal preference. the only point i can relate to is that i don't feel like touchbar is very useful. otherwise imo it's still the best laptop on the market hardware-wise (and software but that's a very different debate). the main question for me is why on earth are you buying macbook pro if you think it's shit? it's not like you can't go to apple store and try a keyboard or notice the lack of escape key or the size of arrow keys? it's really puzzling.
- lettergram 9y agoI recently (well a year ago), switched from using and recommending a MBP to a Lenovo with Linux. Buy a $500 ThinkPad T450s - <latest series model> off eBay, replaced it with new internals. I get 20Gb of RAM, 2x1Tb SSDs, a nice keyboard, a decent track pad, 10 hours of battery life - total cost: $1300-$1800. I've done this for myself and three family members and we all couldn't be happier. I fly a lot and having that battery life is so helpful. I even carry 2x back up batteries, and have ~25 hours of battery life (enough for a whole trip). Finally, I prefer the 14" body. I should add I still use a 2015 MBP for work and find it acceptable, I wouldn't go out and buy a new MBP ever. My co-workers with their USB-C converters, touch bar(s), and stupidly sized track pad find my 2015 model much more enjoyable.
- ximeng 9y agoAny part list you could suggest for the replaced components?
- lettergram 9y agoDepends on the model. Here's some items from my last build... Most in the series come with 4Gb of RAM soldered in, so you get another 16Gb stick[1]. Regarding the SSD, typically you get a laptop with one installed, but you can add in the m.2 ssd slot[2]. Then you buy the battery pack [3]. You should be good to go from there. I've seen people replace the screen, trackpad, and keyboard as well, but those are all I typically replace. [1] https://www.amazon.com/Crucial-Single-PC4-19200-Unbuffered-260-Pin/dp/B019FRBHZ0/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1515743226&sr=8-3&keywords=ram+ddr4+sodimm+16gb https://www.amazon.com/Crucial-Single-PC4-19200-Unbuffered-2... [2] https://www.amazon.com/Samsung-960-PRO-Internal-MZ-V6P512BW/dp/B01LYRCIPG/ref=pd_sbs_147_2?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B01LXS4TYB&pd_rd_r=PP6C920095JKVEFVT3K2&pd_rd_w=o4rfy&pd_rd_wg=UoMJS&refRID=PP6C920095JKVEFVT3K2&th=1 https://www.amazon.com/Samsung-960-PRO-Internal-MZ-V6P512BW/... [3] https://www.amazon.com/Lenovo-Battery-0c52862-Factory-Sealed/dp/B00KOHS6UK https://www.amazon.com/Lenovo-Battery-0c52862-Factory-Sealed...
- trystero 9y agohttps://www.reddit.com/r/thinkpad/ https://www.reddit.com/r/thinkpad/
- sluggg 9y agooh god I feel you on the keyboard. After using the gen of mbr for ~8 months, a few keys have begun to fail. They require a double tap to fire properly. VERY FRUSTRATING.
- eecc 9y agoI’m also stuck on an old MacBook Pro model. Can’t justify the price but after some research — namely trying to find an equivalent Lenovo or Hp or whatever — I reached the conclusion that it’s mostly Intel’s fault. Let me explain: Intel chipsets don’t support enough lanes to supply USB-c, GPU, SSD and anything else with no less than 4 of them. The extra “legacy port breakout” ruins the tally and that’s why Apple dropped it and called itself “brave”. Any other vendor I’ve seen that sticks with legacy connectors will gimp one of the other 3 parts; it’s the chipset that ties their hands. Next is RAM. low power DDR3 only runs up to 16GB and that’s what you get from Apple. Want more? Nope, Intel chipsets don’t support lp DDR4 so that’s what’s on the menu. Other vendors will use chipsets to get those 32GB but they’re power hogs and turn the machine into a skillet. Apple’s only homemade blunders are the asinine keyboard and the silly half assed attempt at touch-but-not-screen. Oh and the stupid obsession with thin, give me back an unibody design without CD drive and more battery. I’ll be fine rocking 12h on a charge thanks
- Meekro 9y agoThe 2015 Macbook Pro included an SSD, 2x Thunderbolt 2, 2x USB3, HDMI, and an SD card slot. It had 9 hours of battery life. Are you saying Intel chipsets actually regressed since then? If not, then it seems like Apple is the one who has regressed here.
- AstralStorm 9y agoApple choose the low voltage CPU, weaker GPU and super slim case at the expense of ports and computational power. Also 9 instead of say 6 hour battery life. The only thing "Pro" in MacBook Pro is the price. At the same price points you can get Lenovo, Dell or HP workstation class laptops.
- nimish 9y agoAs a professional computer toucher, I definitely value battery life because a dead laptop doesn't let me get work done
- walkingolof 9y agoAn honest question, how many developers really need a laptop ? I thought a did but have since some time now a very good desktop (paid around 3k for 16 core machine with 64 GB memory) and a light travel laptop with excellent battery. This combo works very well.
- seltzered_ 9y agoDepends on your routine, and how much your development time intermingles with design, gaming, or being with slow/no internet. I've tried to talk myself into a desktop & light laptop setup for years and everytime it's just felt easier to not think about syncing files across machines or whether the light travel laptop is going to be good enough for writing native code (i.e. compile times) or creative work (sitting here with ffmpeg spinning fans right now, and used Adobe's suite most of today around town). How many developers need a desktop when there's cloud computing for heavy lifting?
- thepoet 9y agoI know it is unfair to compare a laptop with a desktop but this is what I did based on my specific usage pattern. I upgraded from a 13 inch 2014 Macbook Pro with 8G RAM to a 27 inch iMac. I am still keeping the Macbook pro for travel, though I fear the out of warranty costs now that AppleCare is over. I wanted a faster, powerful machine but did not want to move out of macos with all those programs and settings from last 4 years. Also, all the other laptops had some issue or the other be it the low battery life in ultrabooks to the bad display, weak processors, or build quality issues. The 2017 touchbar MacBook Pro is the best built laptop one can buy but it looked too expensive to me for what it offered. I explored building a hackintosh but it seemed maintaining it was too much pain. I now use a Samsung T5 external SSD over USB-C as my macos boot drive in the iMac, which I can unplug and boot with my Macbook when I travel. While being 40% cheaper than the 15 inch macbook in my country, the iMac gives me a faster processor that does not thermal throttle after 5 minutes of 100% usage, 24 GB of cheaper RAM (and yes easily upgradable to 64GB), a gorgeous 5k display, lots of ports, a somewhat better graphics card for the rare gaming and lots of space to save data files. With some difficulty, you could also replace the drives and processor.
- martind81 9y agoI've just had my keyboard serviced a couple weeks ago because of the sticky keys issue. So I reluctantly bought a keypad cover. I normally hate covers. But weirdly I like this one; it's very thin, perfectly adjusted and it almost improves the touch. And it's almost invisible. I really like it and it makes me feel way safer.
- martind81 9y agoFor those interested, this is the cover I got: UPPERCASE GhostCover Premium Ultra Thin Keyboard Protector for MacBook Pro with Touch Bar 13" or 15" (2016 and 2017, Apple Model Number A1706, A1707) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01MRKLH27?ref=yo_pop_ma_swf https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01MRKLH27?ref=yo_pop_ma_swf
- emptybits 9y agoIf Apple wants to cling to the now-inappropriate "Pro" brand for these MacBooks then may I suggest they add a new line: maybe, MacBook Ultimate or MacBook Power or MacBook Unlimited or MacBook Retrogrouch or something. Please make those units thicker for larger battery and replaceable RAM/SSD, with headphone and SD ports and MagSafe. Comments here suggest many of us would pay a premium for something like this.
- ak39 9y agoThose product delineations exist currently. Macbook Air has always been touted as " high end specs, flexibility all with great portability". The Pro was sold as the mobile beast. There's some range confusion it seems.
- Miredly 9y agoThere's so much range confusion over at Apple right now it's starting to feel like the 90's all over again. Compare the Macbook with the 13" Macbook Pro, there's a ridiculous amount of overlap there that makes their pricing structure seem ridiculous.
- cjsuk 9y agoI managed to break my 2013 15” retina MacBook Pro a couple of days ago. It slid off my lap and down my legs and gently hit the floor from about 6 inches up. This managed to critically deform the lid and pop the screen. This in itself is a big WTF. However, I spent the entire hour following this event being annoyed not because of what I had done to it but because I wasn’t actually annoyed. I was annoyed at myself for not being annoyed. The I realised why: I know there was no path forwards because the current line is crap. I’ve been putting off thinking about it and dealing with the “what happens next” question. What happened next was dragging an old i5 Thinkpad T440 out of the cupboard and firing windows 10 up on it. Got to be honest. The keyboard is better, the thing is a ton more productive, it’s faster (!) to get anywhere and I had forgotten how much stuff I have in muscle memory which doesn’t require hypermobile fingers doing twisted fucked up devils chords on different meta keys to run the entire machine off the keyboard. Plus if you drop it, it still works. The trackpad is crap though (meh, use a mouse) and the screen is crap (meh). Turns out the only good bits on the MBP were the screen and the trackpad. The screen is extremely fragile though. The whole machine cost less than a recycled screen for a 2013 MBP and gets in the way less.
- Viper007Bond 9y agoI recently switched from a MacBook Pro running Boot Camp to a Surface Laptop (not the Pro aka tablet) and I'm absolutely in love. The battery life is ridiculous -- a claimed 14 of video playback but even in my real world heavy usage, I still get about 8. I also never thought I'd find a touchpad as good as Apple's but I'm actually liking Microsoft's more. It's a really, really good proper laptop. I think my only complaint is that it only has one USB port (A-type), but seeing as the only thing I use USB for anymore is charging my phone, it's not a deal breaker.
- mosselman 9y agoa. Why do people have a need to write blog posts about why they won't buy a macbook? What do we care? I won't buy most things I see offers for: certain soda drinks, instant coffee, etc, etc, etc, etc b. Why do these posts get so high on the HN main page? What is the value? Is it just nerdy conversation and, in this case, Apple shaming just like we do with celebrity gossip? Do we feel like giddy children telling stories around the campfire of fallen giants. That is fine, but why do we need to upvote this over other, worthwhile, articles? Relax people, a Macbook is just a product you don't have to buy.
- majewsky 9y ago> a. Because, as opposed to a soda or cup of coffee, he paid a significant amount of money for a device that turned out to be a bad investment to him. 2$ misinvested are nothing to write home about; 2000$ misinvested are. Same reason why there are tons of car reviews and tech reviews, but not a lot of soda or coffee reviews. > b. Because Apple knows how to appeal to people emotionally.
- tigershark 9y agoHe actually paid 2800£, so it’s something like 3800$ with today exchange rate.
- sumedh 9y ago> a Macbook is just a product you don't have to buy. and you learn these things by reading blogs.
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- bluedonuts 9y agoI was kinda onboard untill “bring the lit Apple logo back”. What’s professional about that?
- cjsuk 9y agoStarbucks street cred. It annoys me that mine lights up like a Christmas tree.
- cfontes 9y agoI join that pack, the touchpad is specially terrible for debugging and IDEs, loots of my shortcuts are in that part of the keyboard it's infuriating to use it. Have been given that choice a month ago, get one a new MBP or a dell precision 5520 + 32Gb ram with Linux. Linux was the choosen one, couldn't been happier! In fact all our backend developers are switching... That must been something right, it was all macs since since the begging for them.
- rfolstad 9y agoi'm on a 2013 mac book pro retina and see no reason to upgrade to the latest model. If it died tomorrow i'd look for a refurbed 2015 model. Mostly i blame intel for not releasing mobile chipsets capable of more than 16GB of ram but apple is also to blame for allowing this. My next purchase will hopefully be a amd ryzen based laptop with 64GB of ram running linux in 2018 pls.
- dev_throw 9y agoBeen using an MBP for the past 3 years and looking to try a non AAPL machine for my dev work. What hardware is the most similar/superior to an MBP > 2015? I will be running a Linux distro. I have heard good things about the ZenBook, but I am wondering if there are any better options.
- pawelkomarnicki 9y agoAnother "it's not what I'm used to, so it's trash" post ;-)
- cafebeen 9y agoI find the current MBP makes a lot more sense if you mentally substitute “deluxe” for “pro”.
- kensai 9y agoHas anyone tried the Eve V? (https://eve-tech.com https://eve-tech.com)
- codecamper 9y agoApple hates developers. Yes, I agree. This keyboard is terrible. J key keeps getting stuck. Pressing a non-existent ESC key is such a distracting feeling. Lucky I mostly use my Mac on a Roost with an external (MS) keyboard. The hoops you used to have to jump through to run an app on device & their weak / crashing / prone to getting stuck in bad states of early XCodes was just horrendous. I don't know about you.. but I'm getting tired of the fake Unix under the hood. Used to be happy we had unix there... but this version puts files in various other places. And when something breaks... who knows what it is. I spent all day yesterday trying to get Safari working. I don't care about Safari, but it was XCode not letting me test an app on device. (says my device is untrusted even if I trust it). I noticed Safari also was not loading, so I figured it must be related. Nope. I'm not sure if Linux has the same problems? I'm starting to think the actual best way to run MacOS when you need it for iOS dev is via Linux in a VM. Would this be possible & easy? Are there good VMs created that'll allow for this?? I'm jealous of my crypto coin cousins that can work on pure code & not worry about freaking device signing IDs and UI that must work on 37 different devices. Another biggie: the App Store's complete lack of regulation over fake reviews. fakespot.com does a good job at picking up on fake reviews. Apple simply cannot manage this. Seems like it would be a good way to get started in the AI era... Apple if you are reading this, buy Fakespot & their talent! I had the experience of writing an app that worked better & looked better than a competitor. He took all the downloads because strangely he had several 5 star reviews every day. I guarantee they were fake. Fakespot.com agrees & yet.... it is 2018 & it goes on to this day. And one more thing... Auto Layout. Are you freaking kidding me!! Massively overcomplicated. One more... App Store Review process!
- alt_f4 9y agoI completely agree. The post-2015 Macbook Pros are a disaster. - The touchbar is a useless gimmick that is outright harmful to developers like me that use the function keys a lot. I hate that there isn't a 15" Macbook without a touchbar. - The keyboard typing experience is poor and the key mechanism is extremely fragile, making it super expensive to own and repair - Missing useful ports. I like USB-C, but I also like to be able to stick in a SD card or a USB flash drive without having to buy a dongle. Which, for a Pro machine that costs as much as this one, I definitely should be able to do. - Only 16GB RAM. Ok, I get it, this is Intel's fault due to LPDDR. But is it Intel's fault that you keep making this PRO machine thinner and the battery smaller? - I'd love to see an OLED display on the Macbook, but I understand that may not be feasible in the mid-term. So that one is not actually a big issue. For the rest, that's entirely Apple's poor design. Until that gets fixed, I'm sticking with my 2012 MBP. And when that breaks, I'll buy a ThinkPad.
- dexterbt1 9y agoThey're still selling th 15in rMBP w/out touchbar. https://www.apple.com/shop/buy-mac/macbook-pro/15-inch https://www.apple.com/shop/buy-mac/macbook-pro/15-inch But then again, this has the same specs as a 2015 machine: with all the function keys and ports, has an older processor, no discrete graphics, and starts at a smaller storage 256GB SSD. If only they'll offer one with discrete GPU.
- alt_f4 9y agoI know, I meant up-to-date specs and no touchbar
- nikon 9y agoI took my 9 month old 13" Touchbar Pro into Apple last night for the third time. This time it was a display fault (bottom of screen had horizontal lines and pink hue when cold) and all 4 USB-C ports were soggy with no hold. Previously I've had a new logic board after a power fault that took a authorized repairer to fix as they were the only ones that believed me. FINALLY I got a full refund. I bought the previous 15" model (which I should never had sold) with the proceeds in store. I've never had such an unreliable piece of hardware. Some guy was in store with a key that was stuck and he was told it would take 5 days to repair. The relief I felt when the genius said refund said it all.
- ksec 9y agoI am saddens to see a lot people are saying most of these are minor annoyances. People forget, the reason most buy an Apple is attention to details. Quality, in places where you dont't expect it. We dont expect Apple to be just "good", we expect "better" or "best". It is a reason why people pay a premium over others. Lets skip the discussion of whether the MBP is Pro or not, it is certainly a top price range premium notebook on the market, you expect these pieces of equipment to last, not the old golden standard where your 484 could still turn on, but at least within its warranty period. 2 Years, with AppleCare+. Even having 1% of your customer coming in within the first 2 year of its usage because of a faulty keyboard is a design failure. That is 200K Macbook Pro. And Apple spoke about this, which has less then 5% return rate. 5%? Serious? Even 0.5% within first year on a Keyboard is wrong. I know most people love the new Keyboard spacing, and its key stability. But we have a polarise group of people on Key Depth. Not every body likes to type on shallow keys, and not everyone can get used to it. I haven't seen anyone who could type of these new keys would mind if they had more depth, they wouldn't be bothered. But not vice versa. Given Intel's new released KabyLake-G, It is likely the new Macbook Pro will use it, you get similar CPU performance, but 50% better Graphics, along with support of 64GB Memory ( if Apple Choose to, but my guess they will limit it to 32GB ). I really care about any of that. But the keyboard definitely needs some rethink. Some have suggested Apple regress to old Keyboard. But I disagree, since we are talking about Apple, I expect them to have a new Keyboard that is just as thin, gives more depth then even the old keyboard, have ultra high reliability, and even better key stability. I.e It needs to be better in every way then this and its previous keyboard design. A Tall order, but that is what we expect of Apple. Note: Dell is a maglev keyboard shown with their new XPS 15. Which is suppose to be everything i described above. Will be waiting to see it it is any good.
- archagon 9y agoWhy has Apple not added Pencil support to the extra-large trackpad? Perfect lateral move and great for so-called professionals. Was eagerly anticipating cool new hardware features in that vein to justify buying a new laptop; ended up getting an eGPU for my 2013 MBP instead. And in the meantime, the widely-acclaimed and perfectly precise Pencil continues to languish. Sigh!
- solatic 9y agoWhy can't Apple make a MacBook Work machine? Design a keyboard with Cherry ML switches, large battery, no compromises on ports, 5 pound weight ceiling. Something that feels more blue-collar.
- ionised 9y agoI'm using a work-provided one right now and I absolutely hate the keyboard. Everything is so cramped and it just feels like typing on a solid piece of plastic. I ended buying a separate mechanical. And the Magic Mouse, dear lord. it's the most un-ergonomic mouse I've ever experienced and that, combined with the inability to disable mouse acceleration in High Sierra without hiking sensitivity means I'm stuck using the trackpad, which is fine for basic stuff but it will never beat a mouse for fluidity, speed and accuracy. Plus I'm convinced if I continue to use the trackpad I'm going to do some permanent damage to my hand/wrist. It really isn't comfortable to use for long periods.
- RickJWagner 9y agoI bought my wife a MacBook Pro for a gift about a year ago. Apple recently pushed a software update which broke her wireless connectivity. She's been on the phone with Apple support numerous times-- no help at all. So disappointed in Apple. Beware!
- taternuts 9y agoThis bums me out so much. I really, really love my 2015 MBP and 2013 MBAir and I'm afraid they were some of the last good releases. I hope apple can get their shit together before I'm in the market to get a new laptop.
- dman 9y agoFor those looking for an alternative - look at the Dell 5520, am really happy with this machine.
- simonebrunozzi 9y agoSo, what's the alternative? Razer blade? Can we use Windows 10 and be happy?
- hungerstrike 9y agoI've been doing Node.js, Postgres, Redis, React.js, Angular, Ruby, Python and pretty much anything that else that I've wanted to do on Windows for over a decade. IMO and in my experience, if you can't be happy with Windows and make it work for you then you're probably too picky and/or biased.
- hungerstrike 9y agoI'd never pay for new Apple equipment because buying used/refurbished is so much more economical. This summer I got a used 2015 MBP for $1,050 from Amazon (and it still has AppleCare until September 2018!) Last summer, I got a used Mac Pro 2012 for around the same price. Both are running flawlessly right now. I wouldn't have bought the MBP without the AppleCare and I'm glad I didn't because the battery stopped charging past 40% after 6 months and Apple had to replace it with a new one. I could probably still sell this machine for > $1,000.
- kbob 9y agoI want an eight pound MacBook. (3.6 kg) That's enough for an honest 12 hours' battery life, a CPU+chipset that supports 32 GB of RAM, full-travel, full sized keys, a chassis thick enough to support all the ports, and an escape key. (And I want it to run OS X.) Every time Apple moves away from the eight pound point, they compromise something I care about for something I don't: thinness and lightness. So let me be perfectly clear: I want it heavy, thick, and powerful.
- stevewillows 9y agoWith any luck I will die before my late 2013 15" MBP. The cost of the new ones is criminal, and the reviews are even worse. I picked up a Toshiba Chromebook 2 and run GalliumOS (a mod of Xubuntu). I use the former-Chromebook for anything outside of the house -- unless its a meeting where I will specifically require Creative Suite. It's basically my 'if someone robs me, take this and I won't blink twice' laptop. With every new MBP released over the past few years, it makes me wonder what happened to the people who were working in the various design teams during the Jobs era. I can't imagine that these flaws are the result of a single leader.
- vijay_n 9y agoObviously no to the Macbook Pro 2017(13inch without touch bar), indeed having a poor battery life, hardly getting 6 hours, Sametime my MacBook pro Early 2015 is still getting 9hours of backup. Overall the quality of Apple products seems to be degrading.