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The browser “Brave” loads major news sites 2x – 8x faster
- tbolt 9y agoTime.com takes 98 seconds to load in Chrome? Well that’s something.
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- userbinator 9y agoLoad time is measured by calculating the duration from the start time for the first network request, to the response time for the final request made for each domain. I guess you'll see the page much sooner than 98 seconds, because seeing nothing for that long would probably mean the majority of visitors think the site is broken. There is still a ton of stuff loading in the background.
- ttctciyf 9y agoNoscript-enabled firefox ESR gives me "60 requests, 1,690.86 kB, 3.51s" beating Brave's 11.3s by a factor of 3.2 - admittedly the photos don't display :) Yeah, 1.6M for one lousy web page.
- _ao789 9y agoWhat's the dev stack on this?
- chewmieser 9y agoThey run on a fork of Electron: https://github.com/brave/muon https://github.com/brave/muon https://github.com/brave/browser-laptop https://github.com/brave/browser-laptop
- mathiasrw 9y agoAs I understand it is based on Firefox and have some neat features added: when opening a new tab it displays how much time you gained from not loading adds and tracking code + feature to provide payment to creators based on a monthly budget and how much time you spend on different sites. Its like Patreon with direct relation to your usage. See "Enter Brave Payments" on https://brave.com/publishers/ https://brave.com/publishers/
- mburns 9y agoBrave is based on Chromium, not Firefox.
- dingo_bat 9y agoThe browser indeed is fast to load websites, but in my experience it is still a bit in the beta stage. Also I'm surprised how many websites these days just work on Chrome and nothing else! We're back to IE6 folks.
- solarkraft 9y agoI really notice it on FF.
- Alex3917 9y agoFlagged. You can't just not load the asynchronous assets that don't affect how the page is displayed and then claim your browser is 8x as fast.
- ovao 9y agoI don’t think the submitter is affiliated with the browser.
- bartkmq 9y ago>You can't just Why not? (Serious Question, I want to learn.)
- fron 9y agoThe reason that the adblocking bit is significant is that it makes the benchmark comparisons pretty meaningless. Failing to load 40% of the content that was served will obviously cut the load times by a comparable amount. For an accurate comparison, Brave's adblocker should be disabled so that it loads everything that Chrome did.
- bartkmq 9y agoI disagree. Brave is targeted at the average browser user. Only ~10% of Windows users use adblockers, 2% on Android/iOS. And you can't tell me all of these people want to see ads, most of them probably just don't know about adblockers (or find them to difficult to install on mobile). Brave solves that problem because they present a finished solution that simply works for the user. The comparison between Chromes and Braves (Electrons) internal details may be interested for developers but the average end-user just cares about the speed difference between Browser X and Y as they come out of the box.
- Joking_Phantom 9y agoI wonder if there's an underlying reason for the Fox news benchmark being the fastest. If page load time is largely determined by quality/quantity of ads, is Fox News serving the "best" ads to make their website faster? Or is their average user using a computer with less network bandwith and computing power, thus forcing them to lower ad loading time to present a reasonable user experience.
- george3383 9y agoWhy say Fox employees are more skilled when you can insult conservatives
- gkoberger 9y agoThat was his first suggestion ("is Fox serving the best ads"). As for the latter suggestion, it doesn't necessarily have to be an insult. Liberals tend to live in cities, and conservatives in rural areas. Rural areas have worse internet due to being spread out.
- ladberg 9y agoI'm not a big fan of how they calculate load time. Usually you'll start interacting with the website before every single external resource loads (comments, Facebook integration, tracking scripts, etc.). Also, they should be comparing against Chrome/Safari with adblockers. Comparing the load times of one browser blocking the majority of the data downloaded vs one browser downloading everything will be very different regardless of what you're using.
- codinghorror 9y agoThis is completely credible if it has built in adblocking.
- clouddrover 9y agoAnd similarly for Firefox with Tracking Protection turned on. The speed gains come from reducing the amount that's downloaded and rendered or executed: https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2017/11/20/firefox-private-browsing-vs-chrome-incognito/ https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2017/11/20/firefox-private-bro... You can set Firefox's Tracking Protection to "always" so it's on all the time, inside and outside of private browsing mode.
- faitswulff 9y agoPeople who do that might like Firefox Focus, which ships with tracking protection, adblocking, and no history by default: https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/mobile/#focus https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/mobile/#focus
- madez 9y agoI like the effort, but I think their target is slighty off. The privacy with regards to the network (ads, tracking, fingerprinting, etc.) and the privacy with regards to other users of the same machine (browsing history, downloads, etc.) are orthogonal. FireFox Focus lumps them together into one, just like FireFox private mode. I think they should be seperated. I want locally all the convenience of usability, but towards the outside all the protection and privacy features. FireFox doesn't offer that :-/
- ForHackernews 9y agoInstall Privacy Badger? https://www.eff.org/privacybadger https://www.eff.org/privacybadger
- j_4 9y agoI honestly love the package as it is for this very reason - the browsing experience is top notch, and the ephemeral nature of cookies, open sites etc. keeps me off the phone, and social media in particular.
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- rgbrenner 9y agoFrom the FAQ, this is just chromium + an ad blocker + something called Brave Payments that's suppose to support publishers with micropayments.. and there's an ad system you can opt into (https://basicattentiontoken.org/ https://basicattentiontoken.org/). It seems to me that the last two are what's unique.. I think they would have greater success by refocusing on those and just developing plugins for Chrome, Firefox, and Edge. Getting everyone to install a browser seems like an uphill battle.
- donatj 9y agoYou should actually give it a shot. It’s so much more than that, it’s simply so much more than you could do with a Chrome extension. It has privacy in mind to its core. As an example, in a recent interview Brendan Eich mentioned that they are working on making private browsing tabs go through tor in order to make them truly private.
- im3w1l 9y agoIf they do that, they better not forget to enable "http nowhere" in those tabs, or people will be in for a bad surprise.
- solarkraft 9y agoThey already "upgrade" web pages to https by default.
- Larrikin 9y agoBrave is a start up that is the same thing as a combination of add-ons at its core. I'm sure they have people working on creating a real browser, but personally I'd rather those people work with Firefox if they aren't going to bring any real innovation to the difficult parts of making a browser
- alwillis 9y agoAs I mentioned previously (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16138524 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16138524), Brave isn't just a bunch of plugins. I would argue that integrating the blocking of tracking, cryptocurrency mining and fingerprinting scripts in the core of a browser is an innovation. And using zero knowledge proofs and machine learning to learn a user’s browsing habits without leaking personal information (or fingerprinting your browser) is an innovation. So is the integration of a micropayments system and wallet. Also, unlike using traditional ad blocking extensions, you don’t get those annoying popups from websites wining about how they need the ads to generate revenue and asking the user to possibly whitelist their site… while they’re using scripts that track your movement all over the web. Brave is starting where Firefox should have evolved to regarding user privacy and a way to support publishers and content creators without ads as we know them.
- whyever 9y agoThey compared a browser with ad blocking with one without it. Of course it's faster not to load ads.
- RobertRoberts 9y agoI think it's a completely fair assessment of apples to apples comparison. Each browser in it's natural first installed state. How is that an unfair comparison?
- jodrellblank 9y ago"Major news sites". Nobody goes to those anymore - they're too crowded.
- mchahn 9y agoThat is one of my favorite Yogi Berra sayings.
- beauseant 9y agoBuy a $35 Raspberry Pi and setup Pi-hole; now all of your browsers are fast, as well as your mobile phones, TVs, and other devices. I prefer Firefox and derivatives because I can hack the guts to make it do what I want. I also run uBlock Origin, Decentraleyes, Privacy Badger, No Coin, and others. I also block HTTP/S referrer, visited links (history visbile to websites), geo location, WebRTC (prevents sites from seeing your private address schema), and others. I also use a proxy server that allows me to appear from different regions. I also block access to font discovery. Yes, I realise this creates a unique "fingerprint" of my systems, but I've never had malware, or rogue Javascript. This is done for all devices on my network under my control. Needless to say, with the Pi-hole and other settings, speed and bandwidth are great. Highly recommended.
- JustSomeNobody 9y agoI run pi-hole on my server and it's been great. Family loves it too which is always good when it comes time to hinting around that I need to do some upgrades.
- cripblip 9y ago+1 for pihole, the difference between home and public browsing on my phone is striking. Considering setting up a vpn with proxy to have this functionality all the time
- manicdee 9y agoMy RSS feed loads even faster still.
- donatj 9y agoI have been using Brave more and more. I am growing to love it. It’s basically impossible to get an idea of global usage however because it does such a good job of not letting servers know you’re using it. It just looks like Chrome.
- keyle 9y agoFrom my testing it was very interesting but the advertising part of it was odd, and also it crashed too often.
- fimdomeio 9y agoPersonally after reading the page what I take is that the browser is irrelevant unless I'm in the USA
- montrose 9y agoNot this news site I bet...
- hndamien 9y agoI love Brave, but my main beef is that when you download a torrent, who know where that file is actually stored on your file system....?