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We centralized a decentralized version control system.
by nezza-_- 9y ago
We centralized a decentralized version control system.
- shawabawa3 9y ago$2 billion to the first person to draft a decentralised git coin WhitePaper
- coding123 9y agoI think you just did.
- drdaeman 9y agoNo. We need a proper whitepaper explaining how to make GitHub decentralized with blockchain tokenization using distributed smart-contracts. ;) (Did I forget any important buzzword?)
- karlmcguire 9y agoJust don't host it on Github Pages.
- deleted 9y ago[deleted]
- zbentley 9y agoDid I forget any important buzzword? Nah, but you could always add some Serverless and Lambada to make it more Agile.
- JohnStudio 9y ago"crypto" baiting is like the funniest trend ever in the Stock Market lately. Kodak is riding that pony home ... (noting I live in Buffalo, just down the road from Kodak's home turf in Rochester and I'm a pretty avid photographer - http://www.instagram.com/crispyfotos/ http://www.instagram.com/crispyfotos/).
- mcguire 9y ago"Did I forget any important buzzword?" BigDataDeepLearning.
- WillReplyfFood 9y agoYou got to ironically buzz to be cool today? Pretend you didnt get it, so all those d* who didnt get it can lecture you. We are deeply invested into the idea of the Seagullarity!
- CabSauce 9y agoIt's missing a sprinkle of AI.
- JohnStudio 9y agodeep-learning. AI is so 2002 (noting I, Cyborg by Kevin Warwick)
- sdruskat 9y agoIt exist! Not a whitepaper, but at least a Medium article: https://medium.com/@alexberegszaszi/mango-git-completely-decentralised-7aef8bcbcfe6 https://medium.com/@alexberegszaszi/mango-git-completely-dec.... Ethereum + IPFS/Swarm as backend for Git. Source code is currently unavailable as it is hosted on ... drum roll ... GitHub: https://github.com/axic/mango https://github.com/axic/mango.
- ezekg 9y agoBlockchain is so 2017--block lattice is the future.
- JohnStudio 9y agoActually that's the FIRST time I've ever heard of lattice. Is that a real deal? Not trying to feed into the hype here, but from a math perspective I get fascinated by concurrency
- ChristianBundy 9y agoYeah, RaiBlocks is currently the only one doing it, although you could make the case for Stellar as well.
- ezekg 9y agoYeah, a cryptocurrency called Rai currently uses it (maybe IOTA too?). Essentially, each account gets its own blockchain and they're connected together using a DAG data structure.
- stephenr 9y agoI read this as block lettuce the first time around.
- unit91 9y agoYou nailed it for the devs but you gotta' say it to people who would pay for it too. Decentralized GitHub would synergistically leverage our existing cloud infrastructure to provide unprecedented collaboration that is open, robust, efficient, and focused.
- sethgecko 9y agoBe sure to follow this template https://i.imgur.com/W0rai6K.jpg https://i.imgur.com/W0rai6K.jpg
- yellowsir 9y agowhy not just use git-ssb? some gateways: http://git-ssb.celehner.com/%25n92DiQh7ietE%2BR%2BX%2FI403LQoyf2DtR3WQfCkDKlheQU%3D.sha256 http://git-ssb.celehner.com/%25n92DiQh7ietE%2BR%2BX%2FI403LQ... http://git.scuttlebot.io/%25n92DiQh7ietE%2BR%2BX%2FI403LQoyf2DtR3WQfCkDKlheQU%3D.sha256 http://git.scuttlebot.io/%25n92DiQh7ietE%2BR%2BX%2FI403LQoyf... http://localhost:7718/%25n92DiQh7ietE%2BR%2BX%2FI403LQoyf2DtR3WQfCkDKlheQU%3D.sha256 http://localhost:7718/%25n92DiQh7ietE%2BR%2BX%2FI403LQoyf2Dt... edit:fix links
- mindcrime 9y ago(Did I forget any important buzzword?) deep learning? VR? IoT?
- jradd 9y agoSIA coin is a similar concept. They even have video hosting/streaming on their development roadmap. Decentralized storage, filesystem and social media seem to be the most valuable use–case for blockchains aside from the inherent value of cryptocurrency. https://sia.tech/whitepaper.pdf https://sia.tech/whitepaper.pdf
- mhluongo 9y agoGitcoin already exists :) https://gitcoin.co/ https://gitcoin.co/
- thinkmassive 9y agoIt's funny that there's already a Gitcoin project, however they do NOT have a token: https://gitcoin.co/ https://gitcoin.co/ The goal of the project is to incentivize FOSS development, similar to Bountysource, except without requiring participants to trust a central party. It's pretty cool!
- chrisseaton 9y agoYou can still work with your colleagues by pushing and pulling your own repos without involving GitHub. I think centralised CI is the real problem. I don't have the compute power in my home to run our full test suite, so I can't push with confidence without my CI cluster.
- TAForObvReasons 9y agoIssues and other GH infrastructure is arguably a bigger problem. That metadata is locked within the Github silo with no easy way to export it elsewhere.
- dom96 9y agoThis is indeed the crux of the problem. I've been thinking about this a lot (and I wouldn't be surprised if it exists already), we need a decentralised method of storing issues and other things inside our git repos.
- leejo 9y agoI know of at least one solution: https://bifax.org/ https://bifax.org/
- Procrastes 9y agoGreat link, thanks! I've been looking for something like this.
- notheguyouthink 9y agoAlso, the workflow on Github is one many people like, and it differs a bit if you have to use git "the old fashioned way". Not that it's hard or impossible, but it differs. I can't imagine explaining the GitHub-less workflow to my colleges..
- notheguyouthink 9y ago
- vuldin 9y agoThe issue is that the features we use along with git, many of which github provides, are not decentralized. The true but tired argument that git will continue to work when github goes down totally ignores this issue. Yes, git still works. But we don't just rely on the features git provides.
- chrisseaton 9y agoSo this isn't really anything to do with Git then is it? So why joke we centralised Git when really we centralised a bunch of other things that are not really anything to do with Git?
- naiveai 9y agoThat's kind of missing the point, everyone's git local clones are still there, I can still work on the code. Git's decentralisation is meant to make sure work doesn't stop altogether when the remote is down.
- nickysielicki 9y agoThe concept of an "upstream" is inherently centralized. The point of git is that everyone can keep working right now and can push later without things getting very messy.
- runeks 9y agoSo you’re saying that if I put up my own Git server (for a fee), it’s likely to have better uptime statistics than GitHub? I can’t push changes to the decentralized Git protocol, only to a (centralized) server instance.
- dorfsmay 9y agoSetting up your own instance of a bit server is free. If you want issues, CI etc... Then you need a local version of github which you will pay for.
- lykr0n 9y agoOr GitLab. That's free and easy to self host.
- apple4ever 9y agoBingo. People think its hard to self host. Its not. They have an omnipackage that you install. You run updates. You enable the automatic backups. Problem solved!
- lykr0n 9y agoBut maintenance is where people can have issues. GitLab is complex.
- undecisive 9y agoWell... unless you use something like gitlab https://about.gitlab.com/ https://about.gitlab.com/ - which is also free, and has support for issues, CI, etc. (snap!)
- jupblb 9y agoPersonally, I prefer something more lightweight and for some time I've been using gogs - https://github.com/gogits/gogs https://github.com/gogits/gogs (so far so good)
- peterwwillis 9y agoWelcome to the modern tech world. While you're waiting for the site to come back up, let me tell you all about my new startup, SquareWheel(TM). edit: Oh jesus christ, there's a fucking tech company called Square Wheel. Kill me now.
- neosavvy 9y agoTell me more - sounds like a productive thing to work on given all productivity is gone for the immediate foreseeable future.
- golergka 9y agoAm I the only one who has project's mirror on Gitlab for exactly this purpose?
- kuon 9y agoI have it the other way around. I use gitlab with github as backup.
- mmahmad 9y agoI'm curious as to how you manage the mirror. Do you perform all operations twice (e.g. if you push to Github, do you manually push to Gitlab)? Edit: Nvm, found out Gitlab has the mirroring feature (https://docs.gitlab.com/ee/workflow/repository_mirroring.html https://docs.gitlab.com/ee/workflow/repository_mirroring.htm...). Pretty cool!
- dehef 9y agoNo way to build my npm dependencies. So the day github would really crash/lost some files, the package decency system thing is dead. That is a very exciting scenario... as exiting as if google would forget to renew google.com and would have no legal right to get it back.
- ReverseCold 9y agoWe centralized a decentralized communication system too. (eMail) Decentralization just doesn't work too well in practice for whatever reason. Everyone is behind a NAT/firewall, everyone has low computing power, its hard to regulate, etc. This all leads to a centralized solution being easier. I think the current best thing we have is centralized but open source and encrypted, which gets an "okay"/10 from me.
- masklinn 9y ago> Decentralization just doesn't work too well in practice for whatever reason. Because it's inconvenient. Centralisation is convenient, it gives a single discovery and synchronisation point. Decentralisation makes discovery much more difficult, and requires adding separate synchronisation mechanisms. It generates friction and cognitive overhead. Even more so for "side-services". Sure your VCS is nominally decentralised[0], but what about bug reports? Contributions? Notes & docs? There were distributed bug trackers efforts back in the early 10s but… they didn't really work IME, they were not convenient or practical. [0] though even without a single giant point of failure, most project would still have a single canonical master copy, a really mesh/distributed contribution system is very rare (Linux's tree of integrators/forks is probably the closest?) and none of the current VCS makes mesh/point-to-point collaborations really convenient
- Cthulhu_ 9y agoThe VCS is still decentralized (you can share code with your neighbour or across the world), it's the administration (tickets, PRs, etc) that aren't. I think it'd be fairly straightforward for github or a competitor to store those things in git as plain markdown files, either alongside the main source code, or (as it does with GH Pages) in a separate branch (that has nothing in common with the master branch but it's still in the same repo). Similar (maybe) is ADR (http://thinkrelevance.com/blog/2011/11/15/documenting-architecture-decisions http://thinkrelevance.com/blog/2011/11/15/documenting-archit...), storing architectural decisions into numbered files in git. See also: https://github.com/npryce/adr-tools https://github.com/npryce/adr-tools
- Conan_Kudo 9y agoFedora's Pagure[1] implements those administrative bits as Git repos. Issues are stored in a Git repository along with the git repo for the code. [1]: https://pagure.io/pagure https://pagure.io/pagure
- da_chicken 9y agoThe major feature of git is that it's distributed, not that it's decentralized. Git's got two big features over SVN: 1. Automatic, private, per-user branching. Git's even nice enough to keep the private branches out of the main repository, and lets you pretend to be the authoritative repository without creating a branch if you really want to. This is what clone/push/pull actually does, and it's what a distributed VCS really brings to the table. It lets every dev pretend to be the project manager when they're writing their own code. 2. A much improved merging model. The graph model of git is just much better than the linear model of SVN. The second one is what people thought they wanted when they started using git. The first one is what they didn't know they wanted before they started using git. Git gets around the problem of "Well, if we do #1, how do we know which repository is authoritative then?" by saying, "We're not solving that problem. This is an exercise for the users that's easily solved by file permissions." So by refusing to solve that (rather hard) problem, the VCS becomes internally decentralized. That doesn't mean you can't or shouldn't centrally manage your repositories or have an authoritative repository. It's just that git itself doesn't care about knowing which repository is authoritative.