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There are always a tons of fans for Wuxia in China for probably hundreds years. Supply follows demand. And Internet-literature is a big thing in China. There ar

There are always a tons of fans for Wuxia in China for probably hundreds years. Supply follows demand. And Internet-literature is a big thing in China. There are also a lot of Wuxia or quasi-wuxia published online. I wonder which country don't censor movies? China actually has quite a few political-metaphor movies up. Not to mention recently one filmed by Feng XiaoGang. I am not saying China bureau of movies production are doing a good job. In fact they have been complained quite a a lot. China still hasn't implement a good classification system. Quite a few films got cut because it has to suit majority(including children) which really annoys people. As your last film example, many Chinese viewers don't think that film is good.

QAPereo 9y ago
That’s a literal Gish Gallop of propaganda, especially: I wonder which country don't censor movies? Tu Quoque is boring.
- whooshee 9y ago
  Okay, Sorry for my `Gish Gallop`. I am not trying to deny the censorship, in fact it's to blame. And there are better examples to follow. many people dislike that and I pointed out problems in censorship and regulations of movies production in China. But I have seen quite a few directors in China who can't produce great films then just blame the system while others successfully put political metaphors in films which is more artful than name-calling.
astebbin 9y ago
> I wonder which country don't censor movies? The USA, for one. The MPAA does rate movies, and most theater chains choose not to run movies rated to contain extreme violence or sexuality, but anyone can privately film and distribute a political (for example) film that might embarrass the US government. Many such movies also run in theaters- see Fahrenheit 9/11, Citizenfour, All the President’s Men, etc.
- jlarocco 9y ago
  I've been thinking about this lately. Even though our government doesn't censor us, our society does censor a lot of unpopular opinions. For example, the neo-Nazis who were publicly shamed and then subsequently lost their jobs. And the Google employee who was fired after writing that email about sexual harassment. I've seen other cases, too, but can't think of them off hand. And I should point out that I'm not defending those views (I think they're shameful), I'm pointing out that they were publicly humiliated and punished for sharing them. Practically speaking, is there much difference between government backed censorship and online mob justice censorship? Each one will ruin your life, just in a different way.
  - humanrebar 9y ago
    > Practically speaking, is there much difference between government backed censorship and online mob justice censorship? 1. You can't sue a mob for justice 2. You can't convict or fire a mob. 3. You can move to somewhere where the mob isn't. More neutrally: 4. Mobs are crowd-sourced. Government censors are appointed experts of some sort. 5. One rouses and incites a mob. One lobbies and corrupts a government. 6. Mobs aren't constrained by things like double jeopardy. The U.S. government is. 7. Mobs tend to be more situational than government rules. Mobs don't care about boring things, niche things, technical things, or sympathetic perpetrators.
    - QAPereo 9y ago
      You can’t sue the power structure of the PRC. Ditto for 2, and certainly 3 unless you have resources, luck, and manage to get away. 4. Experts. In what? Toeing the party line? 5. True, although mobs are easier kick off than new patterns in govt. 6. Neither is the PRC. 7. True. Edit: typo correction of “can” to “can’t”
      - seanmcdirmid 9y ago
        You can petition the PRC power structure (e.g. complain about your local government in Beijing). If you are lucky, you won’t wind up in a black jail.
forapurpose 9y ago
> I wonder which country don't censor movies? Almost all democracies. I'm sure someone can point to a little "censorship" (e.g., children can't watch porn), but that's not the same thing at all - just like a cough isn't the same as lung cancer. When Disney released a film that was complementary of the Dalai Lama, the Chinese government banned all Disney movies - that's censorship. The claim that 'everybody does it' is an old ploy for dictatorships.
- dragonwriter 9y ago
  > I'm sure someone can point to a little "censorship" (e.g., children can't watch porn), The US censorship model is sneaky; instead of official state censorship, we have “voluntary” “private” censorship by industry groups, but when government isn't satisfied with the results, it threatens official regulation (either directly of content or at least marketing of certain content, or punitive regulation of other aspects of the relevant industry’s business), drags industry execs in for public shaming, and engages in similar pressure tactics until the industry aligns censorship practices with government preferences. In this manner, it imposes censorship, satisfies the segment of the electorate seeking government action on unwelcome content, but mostly maintains a façade of refraining from government censorship.
  - forapurpose 9y ago
    Again, not at all the same thing.
- billfruit 9y ago
  UK and India does censor movies. I think perhaps very many democratic countries do.
thecortado 9y ago
Internet literature is so big in China the most recent IPO is Tencent's e-book department. https://qz.com/1123570/china-literature-ipo-tencents-e-books-unit-one-of-asias-largest-tech-offerings/ https://qz.com/1123570/china-literature-ipo-tencents-e-books... Not children-specific, but just to illustrate the amount of domestic production for domestic consumption.

QAPereo 9y ago

That’s a literal Gish Gallop of propaganda, especially: I wonder which country don't censor movies? Tu Quoque is boring.

whooshee 9y ago
Okay, Sorry for my `Gish Gallop`. I am not trying to deny the censorship, in fact it's to blame. And there are better examples to follow. many people dislike that and I pointed out problems in censorship and regulations of movies production in China. But I have seen quite a few directors in China who can't produce great films then just blame the system while others successfully put political metaphors in films which is more artful than name-calling.

astebbin 9y ago

> I wonder which country don't censor movies? The USA, for one. The MPAA does rate movies, and most theater chains choose not to run movies rated to contain extreme violence or sexuality, but anyone can privately film and distribute a political (for example) film that might embarrass the US government. Many such movies also run in theaters- see Fahrenheit 9/11, Citizenfour, All the President’s Men, etc.

jlarocco 9y ago
I've been thinking about this lately. Even though our government doesn't censor us, our society does censor a lot of unpopular opinions. For example, the neo-Nazis who were publicly shamed and then subsequently lost their jobs. And the Google employee who was fired after writing that email about sexual harassment. I've seen other cases, too, but can't think of them off hand. And I should point out that I'm not defending those views (I think they're shameful), I'm pointing out that they were publicly humiliated and punished for sharing them. Practically speaking, is there much difference between government backed censorship and online mob justice censorship? Each one will ruin your life, just in a different way.
- humanrebar 9y ago
  > Practically speaking, is there much difference between government backed censorship and online mob justice censorship? 1. You can't sue a mob for justice 2. You can't convict or fire a mob. 3. You can move to somewhere where the mob isn't. More neutrally: 4. Mobs are crowd-sourced. Government censors are appointed experts of some sort. 5. One rouses and incites a mob. One lobbies and corrupts a government. 6. Mobs aren't constrained by things like double jeopardy. The U.S. government is. 7. Mobs tend to be more situational than government rules. Mobs don't care about boring things, niche things, technical things, or sympathetic perpetrators.
  - QAPereo 9y ago
    You can’t sue the power structure of the PRC. Ditto for 2, and certainly 3 unless you have resources, luck, and manage to get away. 4. Experts. In what? Toeing the party line? 5. True, although mobs are easier kick off than new patterns in govt. 6. Neither is the PRC. 7. True. Edit: typo correction of “can” to “can’t”
    - seanmcdirmid 9y ago
      You can petition the PRC power structure (e.g. complain about your local government in Beijing). If you are lucky, you won’t wind up in a black jail.

forapurpose 9y ago

> I wonder which country don't censor movies? Almost all democracies. I'm sure someone can point to a little "censorship" (e.g., children can't watch porn), but that's not the same thing at all - just like a cough isn't the same as lung cancer. When Disney released a film that was complementary of the Dalai Lama, the Chinese government banned all Disney movies - that's censorship. The claim that 'everybody does it' is an old ploy for dictatorships.

dragonwriter 9y ago
> I'm sure someone can point to a little "censorship" (e.g., children can't watch porn), The US censorship model is sneaky; instead of official state censorship, we have “voluntary” “private” censorship by industry groups, but when government isn't satisfied with the results, it threatens official regulation (either directly of content or at least marketing of certain content, or punitive regulation of other aspects of the relevant industry’s business), drags industry execs in for public shaming, and engages in similar pressure tactics until the industry aligns censorship practices with government preferences. In this manner, it imposes censorship, satisfies the segment of the electorate seeking government action on unwelcome content, but mostly maintains a façade of refraining from government censorship.
- forapurpose 9y ago
  Again, not at all the same thing.
billfruit 9y ago
UK and India does censor movies. I think perhaps very many democratic countries do.

thecortado 9y ago

Internet literature is so big in China the most recent IPO is Tencent's e-book department. https://qz.com/1123570/china-literature-ipo-tencents-e-books-unit-one-of-asias-largest-tech-offerings/ https://qz.com/1123570/china-literature-ipo-tencents-e-books... Not children-specific, but just to illustrate the amount of domestic production for domestic consumption.