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Both of them are teaching children to be honest people. Chinese children scored higher just because they were trained earlier. That's it. And there are several

Both of them are teaching children to be honest people. Chinese children scored higher just because they were trained earlier. That's it. And there are several minor reasons mentioned in book <Outliers: The Story of Success>. China has a lot of people, and there are cheaters to blame, it's not only about those cheaters' honesty, there are economic problems too. Try to generalize or portray all Chinese students as dishonest people are just not objective. If you wanted to play that game, who got more prisoner to citizen ratio? Given they read those cutie books taught them to be law-bide people.

seanmcdirmid 9y ago
> Chinese children scored higher just because they were trained earlier. No, Chinese children scored higher because only a sample was taken from urban Shanghai and compared to the entire USA. Imagine comparing San Francisco to the whole of China, including its much poorer and less educated hinterlands. There are false generalizations all around.
- whooshee 9y ago
  Are you talking about PISA? Alright, that test has sample problems due to Hukou system[0] and limited city participation, it may expand to more cities. In fact the U.S. didn't participate as a whole but 3 states. I will put my argument more widely, East-Asian countries tend to train their children at a very young age, and their pronunciation of numbers helped them to learn arithmetic(stated in the book <Outliers>). China has a basically working K-12 program, and there were a series of documentaries shoot in UK, not long later, UK imported elementary math books from Shanghai. But China still need to improve it's higher-ed system. Preferably learn from Russia, France and Germany. [0]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Programme_for_International_Student_Assessment#China https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Programme_for_International_St...
  - seanmcdirmid 9y ago
    China has a K-9 program, education isn’t compulsory after the 9th grade is completed, high school is optional. Whether you get a good education or not depends on your hukou, it is far from universally good, first tier cities having the best, rural villages having much much worse.

seanmcdirmid 9y ago

> Chinese children scored higher just because they were trained earlier. No, Chinese children scored higher because only a sample was taken from urban Shanghai and compared to the entire USA. Imagine comparing San Francisco to the whole of China, including its much poorer and less educated hinterlands. There are false generalizations all around.

whooshee 9y ago
Are you talking about PISA? Alright, that test has sample problems due to Hukou system[0] and limited city participation, it may expand to more cities. In fact the U.S. didn't participate as a whole but 3 states. I will put my argument more widely, East-Asian countries tend to train their children at a very young age, and their pronunciation of numbers helped them to learn arithmetic(stated in the book <Outliers>). China has a basically working K-12 program, and there were a series of documentaries shoot in UK, not long later, UK imported elementary math books from Shanghai. But China still need to improve it's higher-ed system. Preferably learn from Russia, France and Germany. [0]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Programme_for_International_Student_Assessment#China https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Programme_for_International_St...
- seanmcdirmid 9y ago
  China has a K-9 program, education isn’t compulsory after the 9th grade is completed, high school is optional. Whether you get a good education or not depends on your hukou, it is far from universally good, first tier cities having the best, rural villages having much much worse.