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People change, learn, and grow. We need to be able to forgive people, from time to time, as a society.

ajross 9y ago
Completely agreed. But I don't see how that's relevant to the grandparents argument that adsense fraud shouldn't affect Youtube ad revenue. I mean, extending your point: does the grandparent sound appropriately contrite to you? If you read that comment and had to decide whether or not to sign an ad service contract, would you? Edit to be even clearer: OkGoDoIt literally describes the fraudulent theft of hundreds of dollars as a "silly freshman experiment"! Is that a situation you think Google should be required to forgive?
- jonny_eh 9y ago
  > Is that a situation you think Google should be required to forgive? Required? No. Appropriate? Yes
- brewdad 9y ago
  So because an 18 year old made a poor decision, he should forever be barred from monetizing an online presence?
  - dazc 9y ago
    No, because there are plenty of other ways of doing this that don't require forgiveness from an organisation he's previously tried to screw over.
    - prepend 9y ago
      There is no valid alternative to YouTube as far as similar content creation monetization. YouTube is by far the monopoly with over 50% on creator content. It’s possible, but won’t have the same reach. Best bet would be switching to content type specific platforms like twitch.
- Dylan16807 9y ago
  When the bad blood is completely impersonal, maybe it is fair to say "It's been ten years, google should be required to forget". Especially if they're willing to repay the debt. There are hundreds of millions of people at neutral with google. Letting someone reset to neutral doesn't harm them.
Consultant32452 9y ago
He literally stole money from them by committing fraud. What do you think is a reasonable period of time a private company/person should wait before doing business with someone who stole from them previously?
- QML 9y ago
  Probably not a decade as OP mentioned..
  - ajross 9y ago
    OP isn't asking for "forgiveness" though. He seems to be arguing that a simple technicality (adsense and youtube being separate revenue mechanisms) should make it impossible for Google to enforce its existing fraud bans. A straightforward requirement for forgiveness, even after a decade, should be at least a little bit of contrition, no?
    - Consultant32452 9y ago
      OP should just be thankful he didn't have any legal ramifications and a permanent criminal record. Instead, he just can't make money off his youtube videos.

Completely agreed. But I don't see how that's relevant to the grandparents argument that adsense fraud shouldn't affect Youtube ad revenue. I mean, extending your point: does the grandparent sound appropriately contrite to you? If you read that comment and had to decide whether or not to sign an ad service contract, would you? Edit to be even clearer: OkGoDoIt literally describes the fraudulent theft of hundreds of dollars as a "silly freshman experiment"! Is that a situation you think Google should be required to forgive?

jonny_eh 9y ago
> Is that a situation you think Google should be required to forgive? Required? No. Appropriate? Yes
brewdad 9y ago
So because an 18 year old made a poor decision, he should forever be barred from monetizing an online presence?
- dazc 9y ago
  No, because there are plenty of other ways of doing this that don't require forgiveness from an organisation he's previously tried to screw over.
  - prepend 9y ago
    There is no valid alternative to YouTube as far as similar content creation monetization. YouTube is by far the monopoly with over 50% on creator content. It’s possible, but won’t have the same reach. Best bet would be switching to content type specific platforms like twitch.
Dylan16807 9y ago
When the bad blood is completely impersonal, maybe it is fair to say "It's been ten years, google should be required to forget". Especially if they're willing to repay the debt. There are hundreds of millions of people at neutral with google. Letting someone reset to neutral doesn't harm them.

Consultant32452 9y ago

He literally stole money from them by committing fraud. What do you think is a reasonable period of time a private company/person should wait before doing business with someone who stole from them previously?

QML 9y ago
Probably not a decade as OP mentioned..
- ajross 9y ago
  OP isn't asking for "forgiveness" though. He seems to be arguing that a simple technicality (adsense and youtube being separate revenue mechanisms) should make it impossible for Google to enforce its existing fraud bans. A straightforward requirement for forgiveness, even after a decade, should be at least a little bit of contrition, no?
  - Consultant32452 9y ago
    OP should just be thankful he didn't have any legal ramifications and a permanent criminal record. Instead, he just can't make money off his youtube videos.