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Fujitsu's Citywide Surveillance
- robert_foss 9y agoThe marketing department must've been asleep at the wheels on this one.
- jstanley 9y agoI don't know, this probably sells it pretty well to the kind of people who would want to buy it. We just have to remember that there are people out there who legitimately think deploying surveillance technology like this is a good thing.
- narag 9y agoAnyone watching police series on tv knows how useful total surveillance is.
- anon151516888 9y ago"Enhance"
- AboutTheWhisles 9y agoMy biggest problems with things like this are that everyone is subjected to it, but not everyone has access to it. In seems almost dystopian that our surveillance applies to the people paying for it, but not the people deciding on it. I can't watch a live stream of a politician's meetings, but governments have access to where everyone goes with their car at all times.
- gototo454 9y ago>I can't watch a live stream of a politician's meetings, but governments have access to where everyone goes with their car at all times. access via phones?
- a3n 9y agoI think it's more banal than that. There are people out there who are always looking for something more to sell, and there are people out there who are always looking for more program to be associated with who will buy it.
- 659087 9y agoDetection of suspicious individuals by clothing color. Sounds like Fujitsu is using the TSA training manual to train this system. I'm sure "by skin color" will be an option as well. Also note "strengthened marketing" and "customer counting" being listed as selling points on the airport scenario of a "citywide surveillance" system.
- sokoloff 9y agoMaybe they just missed a comma between "clothing" and "color".
- marcosdumay 9y ago> Detection of suspicious individuals by clothing color. Police seems a crime and reports that suspect is wearing a green shirt. Surveillance system reports everybody that is wearing a green shirt on walking distance of the occurrence.
- pavel_lishin 9y agoA dozen people are arrested, one of whom is shot. Meanwhile, the suspect changes into a yellow t-shirt in a phone booth and makes his getaway. He is caught several days later, of course, as he would have been without the cameras. Total licensing fees to the city are $12,000.
- ktpsns 9y agoI like this cartoon: http://www.fujitsu.com/global/Images/Use-case-in-an-airport-f_tcm100-2900688.png http://www.fujitsu.com/global/Images/Use-case-in-an-airport-... It looks innocent, makes the impression of a childlike idea how to make the world better. The isometric Legoland country airport supports this feeling even more. The whole picture speaks one language: We don't harm.
- pavel_lishin 9y agoDetection of suspicious individuals by clothing color, of course. Evildoers always wear a particular shade of purple.
- chrischen 9y agoYes but if the deep learning model says it it’s probably true.
- kaybe 9y agoWe're going to have so much bitter fun in the future..
- fvdessen 9y ago"By clothing color, etc. " I wonder what's in the etc. Age, sex, skin color, religion, tattoos, walking pace, gait, facial recognition ?
- retox 9y agoThe picture is so small I initially read it as "Detection of Suspicious Individuals (by clothing, color, etc.)"
- a3n 9y ago> It looks innocent, makes the impression of a childlike idea how to make the world better. It answer's Richard Scarry's question, "What do people do all day?" [1] They watch each other. [1] Still one of my favorite books.
- musage 9y ago> Currently, urban infrastructure is increasingly getting more complex as we face many social challenges, such as complicated crimes and unexpected natural disasters. This situation requires that the establishment of a safe and secure society become a global concern. Where to begin... if you're looking for social challenges, don't look further than people who can't think on an adult level being fed marketing materials by people who are just as lost, and no longer seem to even feel the need to hide it.
- mrybczyn 9y agoI wonder if this is expressing the culture inherited from the Japanese historical experience? An island culture, homogenous, inward-centered, idolizing the emperor, crushed in WW2, and then relying on the post war rise of the corporate welfare state. This "lost" and dystopian corporate communication from Japanese companies seems typical. Certainly the one I worked for tended to be this way.
- meri_dian 9y agoWhat exactly is your criticism of this?
- musage 9y agoYou know, part of me just wants to mirror that, and ask "what is your actual question?", but okay. Just in the sentence I quoted, "complicated" crimes is just padding, but of course, you can't sell "getting more complex" with the argument of "crime still exists". Then there's "unexpected" natural disasters, which is padding, too. Of course, natural disasters aren't social challenges. "This situation" -- of which there is nothing left other than "crime exists" -- always existed, and what is a "global concern"? People all over the world have been concerned with their personal safety for longer than history exists, so what changed? Nothing changed, and if I had to guess, based on what we know about corporations and governments monitoring people who care about the environment in the least I'd say they want to peddle total control to prevent uprisings that will come when the natural disasters (we can predict to get worse, since we keep destroying our environment) get out of hand. But that's just a bonus, without that it's just marketing gibberish, and that I needed to point any of this out further eroded my faith in humanity.
- chillingeffect 9y agoIt's revealing it offers Enhanced Security as well as Strengthened Marketing. This points out how hard "the lords" are trying to make everything predictable. If they had it their way, we'd all be like chickens in cages - always producing for them and completely unable to deviate from today's accepted norms.
- fortythirteen 9y agoI'd be worried, but given my experience with Fujitsu enterprise solutions, we'll all be in the grave before tech support responds to Big Brother's ticket.
- rsbartram 9y agoSurveillance case studies in urban environment have shown to decrease crime rates and more importantly violent crimes. Under the proper circumstances this type of citywide surveillance can be a benefit to modern societies.
- neuralynx 9y agoWhat studies are you referring to?
- fortythirteen 9y agoOh? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/10/20/london-now-dangerous-new-york-crime-stats-suggest/ http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/10/20/london-now-danger...
- stordoff 9y agoThe fact that London's crime rates are not significantly lower than comparable cities makes me doubt this. Even so, the question is larger than that - a) how well does it work (i.e. would the money be better spent on traditional policing) and b) is it worth what we are giving up (the ability to go about your business without being monitored, tracked, etc.)?
- chaostheory 9y agoUsed to work in the industry. I could have missed something but none of this, feels new or novel. Systems like this have already been in operation in places like Dubai and Singapore for years The industry also has issues which may or may not have been resolved by now: 1. It's not an industry that attracts creative or innovative talent. 2. They're not willing to pay well for AI talent (this may have changed) The end result is that you get mediocre implementations with horrible or mediocre UX. Depending on how you feel about surveillance this is either a good or bad thing.
- bem94 9y agoIn practice and in principle, this is horrifying. I don't trust the people buying these systems, and I especially don't trust the engineers building them. Nor do they give me any reason to trust them. Is this sort of thing what we became engineers for? To facilitate the end of privacy? Cmon, we're better than this.