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Intel Core with Radeon RX Vega M Graphics Launched: HP, Dell, and Intel NUC
- capisce 9y agoAMD, not ATI.
- gsich 9y agoATI has been bought by AMD in 2006.
- mozumder 9y agoNot sure why Intel just doesn't release a full system in package for a basic laptop system, with 16GB or 32GB main memory and 256GB or 512GB of NVMe flash? I think Intel still makes flash chips and they originally started out as a DRAM manufacturer as well..
- stonogo 9y agohttps://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/boards-kits/compute-card.html https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/boards-kits... You can ask them, I guess.
- chx 9y agoWhile the main business of Intel around 1980s was certainly DRAM, their first product was SRAM.
- raverbashing 9y agoI think all the x86 complexity prevents them from doing that
- mrweasel 9y agoBecause that would mean discarding an entire package if just one component failed or is damaged during production. It would also mean that manufacturers would have to order different parts for two systems that are identical, expect from memory or storage. In your example, with 16 or 32GB of RAM and 256 or 512GB of storage, you'd end up having to order four different SKUs from Intel, and Intel would have to manufacture four different SKUs, plus one without memory and storage. Logistically I don't think it makes sense to add storage and memory to the package, it just adds inflexibility and more SKUs.
- nnq 9y agoyeah, it would be harder to make and sell "handicaped" configurations to users for high prices, forcing them to prematurely upgrade... hence everybody would milk less money from the end-users. also, some still sell 5400 RPM HDDs (!!!) in some versions of current-gen machines and some people actually buy them! all systems you see today with like 6-8GB of RAM and <500 GB SSD storage will practically force their users to upgrade in <3 years, whereas if you sell to the average home user a system with >=16GB RAM and >500GB SSD, he could keep using it for up to 6 years with no chance of it feeling underpowered... so very bad for business!
- pjc50 9y ago.. but it costs twice as much?
- pjc50 9y agoThat's a pretty massive "package", more like a small motherboard. You'd want to spread them out a bit for thermal reasons.
- maxsilver 9y agoThey make something similar. An Intel NUC is basically a full system laptop, with the laptop-specific bits missing (no screen, keyboard, battery, etc). You can buy it barebones, but you can also buy some of them with everything pre-installed (including RAM and flash storage and licensed Windows OS)
- dna_polymerase 9y agoAre Meltdown and Spectre pre-installed or do I have to download them via the Intel ME? \s I don't know how they have the audacity to release new CPUs while all their products just went to shit...
- t3rmi 9y agoThe partnership with Radeon was a big deal sometime ago. They couldn't not release it. AMD would have been pissed.
- pjmlp 9y agoWhat else are you going to buy instead?
- dna_polymerase 9y agoCurrently, Ryzen.
- gpderetta 9y agonot immune from spectre.
- dna_polymerase 9y agoSigh, yes it is, Ryzen is only vulnerable to Spectre if eBPF JIT is turned on, which is not the default.
- gpderetta 9y agoYou are thinking of a specific attack that uses the 2nd spectre vulnerability (poisoning of the indirect branch prediction) to attack the kernel. I'm sure in the following weeks other attacks to the kernel will appear that do not use the eBPF. The same vulnerability can be in principle be used to attack other processes. Still there are both software and firmware mitigations for this attack. The real elephant in the room is the first spectre vulnerability (exploiting the normal jump predictor), which allows untrusted code (think JS) to read anything in the same process. Apparently most [1] CPUs are affected by this. There is currently no mitigation for this, other than rewriting applications to use separate address spaces, and even then, I think with carefully crafted inputs even that can be exploited. [1] apparently simple, in-order cpus are not, but in principle there is no reason for the attack to work there as well. edit: another possible mitigation for spectre v1 is converting all bound checks controlled by untrusted input to force non-speculation (via if-conversion). It is going to take a very long time to covert all applications (it might be easier for VMs and JITs).
- rwx------ 9y ago'but still no ECC' Are these cpus going to be useless without ECC memroy?
- dna_polymerase 9y agoThese are designed for mobile computers, notebooks for that matter. You don't need ECC in notebooks (consumer hardware). So no they are not useless.
- kuschku 9y agoConsidering Rowhammer, you do need ECC everywhere.
- als0 9y agoExcept that ECC is insufficient because some Rowhammer attacks can flip more than two bits per memory word. The proper mitigation seems to be TRR (target row refresh).
- adrianratnapala 9y agoSo here is the odd thing: servers are (often) managed by Trained Proffesionals, and have backups and failovers. Personal computers are, well, not like that. And yet they often have peoples important creative works, correspondence etc on them. ECC is probably more useful there, it's just that it is harder to make any benefit visible to the customer. (That doesn't mean customers don't care about realiability. It is just that they have no sane way of distinguishing a product that really is realiable from one with advertising that lies about being reliable).
- frou_dh 9y ago"Only servers need ECC" is a big time meme that's been reinforced on computer forums for many years. It's near impossible to snap people out of it.
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- a012 9y agoOP added "ATI" by themselves rather than keeping original one. What a shame. Anyway: > t provides an additional six displays up to 4K with the Intel HD graphics that has three, giving a total of nine outputs. The Radeon Graphics supports DisplayPort 1.4 with HDR and HDMI 2.0b with HDR10 support, along with FreeSync/FreeSync2. As a result, when the graphics output changes from Intel HD Graphics to Radeon graphics, users will have access to FreeSync, as well as enough displays to shake a stick at (if the device has all the outputs). Yes, if those NOCs/HTPCs provide all of those capabilities, otherwise it's just marketing words. In reality, only top notch has more than 1 DisplayPort, I guess.
- mrmondo 9y agoSorry, force of habit I guess - mods feel free to correct if you notice this as I can’t edit the title after posting.
- reitzensteinm 9y agoEditorializing in the title like that is pretty tacky, especially as there are mobile Xeons with ECC already.
- prewett 9y agoThis way does emphasize the incongruity of Intel and AMD in one product. I like it. However, I read the article hoping to figure out why Intel is doing this, and no luck there. Are they giving up on the Intel graphics?
- tedunangst 9y agoReading the title I'm curious why Intel went with a graphics core that's been dead for a decade.
- imtringued 9y agoThe intel CPU still has an iGPU.
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- smallnamespace 9y agoHow ironic that AMD itself doesn't have an integrated full performance GPU/CPU package (cut-down APUs notwithstanding). Also who negotiated the deal to let Intel slap only its logo on the packaging, even though the AMD die is clearly larger?
- TazeTSchnitzel 9y agoIt's a “semi-custom” deal, like with the AMD silicon in PS4 and Xbox One, so the company getting it made for them (Intel) gets their name on the chip.
- adrianratnapala 9y agoAlso who negotiated the deal to let Intel slap only its logo on the packaging, even though the AMD die is clearly larger? Well, take a wild guess at which way the money is going to flow.
- mrmondo 9y agoWhoops - s/ATI/AMD
- jacksonsabey 9y agoThe new AMD APUs don't have ECC support either, I'm hopeful the future versions will
- sp332 9y agoWhy would they disable ECC support for the APU version?
- itsnotvalid 9y agoJust also wonder if this CPU is free from meltdown.
- aceoflulu 9y agoEvidently not. I wish they could ban the word "meltdown" from comments because it's becoming a hideous meme.
- make3 9y agoImagine if Intel ended up buying AMD.. That'd be weird (and bad).
- bartread 9y agoIn the UK that sort of merger would almost certainly be blocked by the Competition Commission: I'd be interested to hear what the situation is in the US, where Intel and AMD are based.
- tracker1 9y agoFTC/SEC would likely block such a merger... even in the current administration it would be nearly impossible to get done.
- bartread 9y agoThanks - reassuring to know.
- riku_iki 9y ago> In the UK that sort of merger would almost certainly be blocked by the Competition Commission It would be interesting to see what would happen if Intel ignore such judgement, what UK would do, stop selling all laptops/desktops?
- pricetag 9y agoI wonder what this will do for $INTC?
- sleavey 9y agoWhy are AMD helping to sell a competitor's product? The article says it's strictly business, but I would have thought the quick buck made today by selling graphics chips to Intel would be outweighed by the long term benefit (e.g. growth in the combined CPU/GPU market) this provides to Intel.
- Shivetya 9y agoperhaps both sides don't want Nvidia to dominate the graphics market?
- sleavey 9y agoThen why wouldn't AMD just launch a combined chip with their own technology for both CPU and GPU?
- frou_dh 9y agoMaybe the likes of Apple said to Intel: "Look, if you don't find a way to supply GREAT integrated graphics, we're going to do our own laptop chips". So Intel goes cap-in-hand to AMD for their tech.
- nolok 9y agoIf I remember the last numbers right, Apple Laptop sales share are around 10% at best, so if anything like that story happened, it would not be them but HP (25%)/Lenovo (20%)/Dell (15%).
- Shivetya 9y agoSeems like a combination tailor made for Apple yet nothing I have read points to Apple actually using it, Dell and HP I have seen mentioned.
- Tsiklon 9y agoI could imagine an OEM like Apple or Dell looking at these to free up space in their board layout on their notebooks or small form factor computers In such a scenario ECC memory is not really a high priority, no? Looking at the PCI-Express lanes available those other 8 CPU lanes look ripe for a thunderbolt 3 controller, with the rest of the peripherals being powered from the PCH (or does that make no sense at all?)
- leandrod 9y agoOne question: free drivers?
- justinclift 9y agoHopefully the new Mac Mini's use these. If the Mac Mini line ever does get updated that is. :)