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This is an incoherent standard, though. Fruits are better than fruit juice because they retain the fruit's fiber, not because they were "processed". What does "

This is an incoherent standard, though. Fruits are better than fruit juice because they retain the fruit's fiber, not because they were "processed". What does "processed" even mean? Nothing coherent. We can and should and honestly must be processing foods in ways that are conducive to health and environmental friendliness (think Soylent, Beyond Meat, the Impossible Burger as the earliest attempts at this) - and not making some ridiculously arbitrary decision.

maxxxxx 9y ago
Fruit juice you buy in the store goes through a lot of processing. Do you know how many oranges you need to make a glass of juice? You would never eat that many in one sitting. So a glass of store bought fruit juice gives you much more sugar than you would get eating real fruit. Things like veggie burgers are probably a little better but when I look at the ingredient list it's still scary long. I can make burgers myself from around 5 ingredients or less.
- lkbm 9y ago
  > Things like veggie burgers are probably a little better but when I look at the ingredient list it's still scary long. I can make burgers myself from around 5 ingredients or less. Sure, but why is 5 ingredients better? That's the question you haven't offered any defense of. I just ate a sandwich. I put three kinds of peppers on it. Would it have been better for me if I'd only put two? It had soy-based meant on it. Would it have been better for me if it'd had regular ham instead? "Less processed" might be a useful heuristic for health, and "fewer ingredients" is likely a useful heuristic for "less processed", but you've presented no evidence for that claim, and it's definitely very far from universally true.
- seanmcdirmid 9y ago
  I’ve watched an orange juicing machine turn oranges into juice at Starbucks (well, in France anyways), so we know. Not good for you, but it didn’t undergo any processing.
- 2-4-Flinching 9y ago
  >Do you know how many oranges you need to make a glass of juice? Nope but one orange has 12-17g of sugar and one cup of OJ has 21g. So maybe about two. I could easily eat that in one sitting.
- tstactplsignore 9y ago
  Again, this is really just completely incoherent. "Processing" is a word that means thousands of different and completely unrelated processes. The "number of ingredients" in a food is also a completely incoherent metric - there are hundreds of unique "ingredients" in every natural food on Earth, we just don't report them. If you think that a specific process, like squeezing oranges, results in a product that has less nutritional value in comparison to a different product (whole oranges), then great. Say that. That is an actionable, specific, testable, and coherent nutritional guideline for society. Meaningless, unscientific buzzwords aren't what we should base nutritional guidelines and policy on.

maxxxxx 9y ago

Fruit juice you buy in the store goes through a lot of processing. Do you know how many oranges you need to make a glass of juice? You would never eat that many in one sitting. So a glass of store bought fruit juice gives you much more sugar than you would get eating real fruit. Things like veggie burgers are probably a little better but when I look at the ingredient list it's still scary long. I can make burgers myself from around 5 ingredients or less.

lkbm 9y ago
> Things like veggie burgers are probably a little better but when I look at the ingredient list it's still scary long. I can make burgers myself from around 5 ingredients or less. Sure, but why is 5 ingredients better? That's the question you haven't offered any defense of. I just ate a sandwich. I put three kinds of peppers on it. Would it have been better for me if I'd only put two? It had soy-based meant on it. Would it have been better for me if it'd had regular ham instead? "Less processed" might be a useful heuristic for health, and "fewer ingredients" is likely a useful heuristic for "less processed", but you've presented no evidence for that claim, and it's definitely very far from universally true.
seanmcdirmid 9y ago
I’ve watched an orange juicing machine turn oranges into juice at Starbucks (well, in France anyways), so we know. Not good for you, but it didn’t undergo any processing.
2-4-Flinching 9y ago
>Do you know how many oranges you need to make a glass of juice? Nope but one orange has 12-17g of sugar and one cup of OJ has 21g. So maybe about two. I could easily eat that in one sitting.
tstactplsignore 9y ago
Again, this is really just completely incoherent. "Processing" is a word that means thousands of different and completely unrelated processes. The "number of ingredients" in a food is also a completely incoherent metric - there are hundreds of unique "ingredients" in every natural food on Earth, we just don't report them. If you think that a specific process, like squeezing oranges, results in a product that has less nutritional value in comparison to a different product (whole oranges), then great. Say that. That is an actionable, specific, testable, and coherent nutritional guideline for society. Meaningless, unscientific buzzwords aren't what we should base nutritional guidelines and policy on.