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There are industry giants who profit from you over-consuming certain things. So that side of the "war" is just built into our markets. Getting people to change

There are industry giants who profit from you over-consuming certain things. So that side of the "war" is just built into our markets. Getting people to change their behavior takes active counter-balancing.

bamboozled 9y ago
I don't know if I believe this narrative much any more, it's like we blame markets for our own lack of personal responsibility and consciousness. It's the same for climate change. People constantly think it's governments that need to fix climate change without making any of their own lifestyle changes to help address the issue. Maybe you're right, but these markets exist because people buy these products. Coca-cola got to where it was today because people drank it by the kilolitre.
- vezycash 9y ago
  >it's like we blame markets for our own lack of personal responsibility and consciousness. I've read that new research say, "Sugar is more addictive than cocaine." So does personal responsibility still apply?
- someabount138 9y ago
  This is exactly why personal responsibility is a terrible argument. Individual lifestyle choices are responsible for a tiny part of climate change, compared to industrial ones. Likewise, it’s silly to ignore the major impact corn subsidies have on the sugar crisis.
  - Gibbon1 9y ago
    I sort of lucked out when the whole war on fat and the wave pf processed food hit in the 1970's. I had these older relatives that were in good health and other than dirt and they didn't buy any of it. I decided that I would just try and eat like them. What I've noticed is over the years more and more in stores 'food items' are things I absolutely will not buy.
- phs318u 9y ago
  > these markets exist because people buy these products. Indeed. But when a poorly educated population with few alternatives ia actively marketed to[1], then perhaps the outcome is more a reflection of corporate exploitation than a reflection of informed consumer choices. [1] http://www.lapoliticaeslapolitica.com/2013/03/in-mexico-coca-cola-is-more-available.html?m=1 http://www.lapoliticaeslapolitica.com/2013/03/in-mexico-coca...
- Gibbon1 9y ago
  > it's like we blame markets for our own lack of personal responsibility and consciousness. The flip side is well paid professionals that come to work every day to work relentlessly to exploit weaknesses in peoples personal responsibility and consciousness.
- CJefferson 9y ago
  I've lost 60kg in the last 3 years, so I know a little about weight loss. I found it REALLY hard in modern society. I could do it as I am well off, but it is very difficult to eat cheaply and healthily. Many people have appetites which lead to them only wanting to eat a healthy about of food. If you are like that, great! I, like many other people, do not. I'm hungry all the time and almost any food it is easy to get contains a huge amount of unfilling but tasty calories.
  - aceoflulu 9y ago
    >it is very difficult to eat cheaply and healthily Word. It simply is impossible to eat cheaply and healthily. Cheap or even reasonably priced food is usually rubbish or requires so much cooking that the savings on the food itself are countered by the price of cooking it.
    - mrob 9y ago
      >Cheap or even reasonably priced food is usually rubbish or requires so much cooking that the savings on the food itself are countered by the price of cooking it. A good electric pressure cooker can cook things very efficiently. It's even better than a traditional pressure cooker because it's insulated. You can cook dried beans with it easily, and dried beans are cheap. It's good for rice too, which is also cheap. Add some frozen vegetables and eggs and you have a reasonably cheap and healthy diet.
      - ashark 9y ago
        Congrats if you find a spouse who's onboard with eating, and feeding your kids, rice and beans for a significant percentage of your dinners and lunches, unless you're so poor the alternative is starving. Staying healthy solo is easy. Staying healthy as a family is hard.
        bamboozled 9y ago
        Works for most of the third world, and that's where Western people people go for holidays and come home and talk about how good the food is. Thinking about places like: Mexico, India, Sri-Lanka.
- always_good 9y ago
  Well, don't forget who picks up the bill when someone lacks personal responsibility: everyone else. Meanwhile, some people profit off of it.

bamboozled 9y ago

I don't know if I believe this narrative much any more, it's like we blame markets for our own lack of personal responsibility and consciousness. It's the same for climate change. People constantly think it's governments that need to fix climate change without making any of their own lifestyle changes to help address the issue. Maybe you're right, but these markets exist because people buy these products. Coca-cola got to where it was today because people drank it by the kilolitre.

vezycash 9y ago
>it's like we blame markets for our own lack of personal responsibility and consciousness. I've read that new research say, "Sugar is more addictive than cocaine." So does personal responsibility still apply?
someabount138 9y ago
This is exactly why personal responsibility is a terrible argument. Individual lifestyle choices are responsible for a tiny part of climate change, compared to industrial ones. Likewise, it’s silly to ignore the major impact corn subsidies have on the sugar crisis.
- Gibbon1 9y ago
  I sort of lucked out when the whole war on fat and the wave pf processed food hit in the 1970's. I had these older relatives that were in good health and other than dirt and they didn't buy any of it. I decided that I would just try and eat like them. What I've noticed is over the years more and more in stores 'food items' are things I absolutely will not buy.
phs318u 9y ago
> these markets exist because people buy these products. Indeed. But when a poorly educated population with few alternatives ia actively marketed to[1], then perhaps the outcome is more a reflection of corporate exploitation than a reflection of informed consumer choices. [1] http://www.lapoliticaeslapolitica.com/2013/03/in-mexico-coca-cola-is-more-available.html?m=1 http://www.lapoliticaeslapolitica.com/2013/03/in-mexico-coca...
Gibbon1 9y ago
> it's like we blame markets for our own lack of personal responsibility and consciousness. The flip side is well paid professionals that come to work every day to work relentlessly to exploit weaknesses in peoples personal responsibility and consciousness.
CJefferson 9y ago
I've lost 60kg in the last 3 years, so I know a little about weight loss. I found it REALLY hard in modern society. I could do it as I am well off, but it is very difficult to eat cheaply and healthily. Many people have appetites which lead to them only wanting to eat a healthy about of food. If you are like that, great! I, like many other people, do not. I'm hungry all the time and almost any food it is easy to get contains a huge amount of unfilling but tasty calories.
- aceoflulu 9y ago
  >it is very difficult to eat cheaply and healthily Word. It simply is impossible to eat cheaply and healthily. Cheap or even reasonably priced food is usually rubbish or requires so much cooking that the savings on the food itself are countered by the price of cooking it.
  - mrob 9y ago
    >Cheap or even reasonably priced food is usually rubbish or requires so much cooking that the savings on the food itself are countered by the price of cooking it. A good electric pressure cooker can cook things very efficiently. It's even better than a traditional pressure cooker because it's insulated. You can cook dried beans with it easily, and dried beans are cheap. It's good for rice too, which is also cheap. Add some frozen vegetables and eggs and you have a reasonably cheap and healthy diet.
    - ashark 9y ago
      Congrats if you find a spouse who's onboard with eating, and feeding your kids, rice and beans for a significant percentage of your dinners and lunches, unless you're so poor the alternative is starving. Staying healthy solo is easy. Staying healthy as a family is hard.
      - bamboozled 9y ago
        Works for most of the third world, and that's where Western people people go for holidays and come home and talk about how good the food is. Thinking about places like: Mexico, India, Sri-Lanka.
always_good 9y ago
Well, don't forget who picks up the bill when someone lacks personal responsibility: everyone else. Meanwhile, some people profit off of it.