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>“Most papers are now freely available somewhere on the Internet, or else you might choose to work with preprint versions. Clearly our negotiating position is s
by pedrocr 9y ago
>“Most papers are now freely available somewhere on the Internet, or else you might choose to work with preprint versions. Clearly our negotiating position is strong. It is not clear that we want or need a paid extension of the old contracts.”
Awesome! It's going to be fun when Elsevier eventually tries to go after SciHub in Germany for copyright violations. I can imagine state prosecutors asking: "So you want us to prosecute someone for not paying you for access to public research?". One can hope...
- lima 9y agoSciHub is not located in Germany so there's little they can do.
- pedrocr 9y agoThere's precedent for blocking DNS and other similar stuff. It's effective for a general audience but probably not most of the scientific one.
- Vinnl 9y agoThey've managed to get many of the domains blocked already, but it's such a game of whack-a-mole that it doesn't really help.
- romeo88 9y agoIs SciHub still reachable somewhere?
- Vinnl 9y agoYes, Wikipedia usually lists the working domains. But, of course, it's probably not legal.
- Quanttek 9y ago80.82.77.83 80.82.77.84 sci-hub.la sci-hub.hk sci-hub.tv sci-hub.tw sci-hub.name sci-hub.mn See the Wikipedia entry
- Cenk 9y agoI try to keep this post updated with the latest accessible links: https://citationsy.com/blog/download-research-papers-scientific-articles-free-sci-hub/ https://citationsy.com/blog/download-research-papers-scienti...
- jerheinze 9y ago> Is SciHub still reachable somewhere? Yes: scihub22266oqcxt.onion
- d0mine 9y agoYou need something like Tor Browser to access it https://www.torproject.org/projects/torbrowser.html.en https://www.torproject.org/projects/torbrowser.html.en
- davidgerard 9y agoOr: http://scihub22266oqcxt.onion.link/ http://scihub22266oqcxt.onion.link/
- jerheinze 9y agoPlease don't, services like that act like MiTM, and they won't work anymore with v3 onion service (Scihub's onion is still v2).
- jaytyagi 9y agoWith the help of proxies, https://www.reddit.com/r/scihub/comments/7ioo0m/working_scihub_domains_10122017/ https://www.reddit.com/r/scihub/comments/7ioo0m/working_scih...
- MaxBarraclough 9y agoRelated: I'm constantly amazed that Google Books is still alive.
- calcifer 9y agoIt's barely alive and it doesn't even resemble what it was supposed to be. Google Books was originally meant to scan - and make available online - all of the worlds books within 10 years. The New Yorker has a good article on how and why it failed [1]. [1] https://www.newyorker.com/business/currency/what-ever-happened-to-google-books https://www.newyorker.com/business/currency/what-ever-happen...
- inetknght 9y agoI use Google Books. I hope it doesn't go away. My biggest gripe, though, is the inability to download books, even books that I've uploaded from a local file.
- pedrocr 9y agoGoogle Books I can understand the argument against. There are actual copyrights to protect. In the case of research Elsevier does approximately nothing. The research and the peer review has already been paid for by every one of us. That we then don't get free access to it is a scandal. States could solve this whole mess tomorrow by just passing a law that states "if you take our money to do research the end result needs to be available to the general public for free". The chicken-and-egg problem of everyone just moving to open-access journals for everything would be solved.
- semi-extrinsic 9y agoI don't think Elsevier see SciHub as the biggest threat. No, the biggest threat is that now the EU has told researchers "You have to publish OA", researchers have two options: publish preprints of everything, or start paying Elsevier loads of cash. Obviously everyone is now starting to do the first option (usually via institutional repos, which at least Google Scholar indexes). And people are finding it to be a good low-effort system. Elsevier lost when they agreed to allow people (mostly just some people in math and physics back then) to post preprints online.
- Vinnl 9y agoI think you are overestimating the system. Researchers are going for the second option in large droves, as that's the one that helps their career forward, and it's often not their own money they're paying with. If you're interested, I've written about why they're forced to do so at [1] and [2]. (And the reason I'm following it so closely is because I'm trying to fix it - if you want to follow that, see [3].) [1] https://medium.com/flockademic/the-vicious-cycle-of-scholarly-publishing-eef794937c9c https://medium.com/flockademic/the-vicious-cycle-of-scholarl... [2] https://medium.com/flockademic/the-ridiculous-number-that-can-make-or-break-academic-careers-704e00ae070a https://medium.com/flockademic/the-ridiculous-number-that-ca... [3] https://tinyletter.com/Flockademic https://tinyletter.com/Flockademic
- kurthr 9y agoWell, it's not their own money (to spend on coke and whores), but typically those are still their research funds so they have to make a decision as to whether to publish or buy new equipment, supplies, or get another TA/RA position. Often the funds are pre-loaded with overhead for the department so it's more expensive than it appears. Indexed preprints make a whole lot of sense, if they'll let you do it.
- Vinnl 9y agoWell, to some extent. If it's their own research funds, they will have to consider what's better for their career, and often, that publication will win over new equipment, for example. That said, there are often funds available from e.g. the library, your funder, or even nationwide funds such as in the Netherlands and I think the UK, that will cover the costs of making articles available as open access. It's pretty much a no-brainer to use them for researchers.