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Apple struggled with the production of their first iphone too. The good thing is that you have tons of orders and market hype. market hype. market hype -> Thi

Apple struggled with the production of their first iphone too. The good thing is that you have tons of orders and market hype. market hype. market hype -> This thing is invaluable.

melling 9y ago
This isn’t Tesla’s first car. They shipped 100,000 cars last year. Must be a problem making the battery?
- olivermarks 9y ago
  I've heard they continue to have had big steel welding problems. Earlier cars were composites and aluminum but ramping up production of steel cars is a very different manufacturing technique. http://autoweek.com/article/car-news/tesla-might-be-missing-spot-weld http://autoweek.com/article/car-news/tesla-might-be-missing-... The rumors have been they are still using 1980's manual production line techniques https://www.harborfreight.com/welding/spot-welders/240-volt-spot-welder-61206.html https://www.harborfreight.com/welding/spot-welders/240-volt-... Th
  - scrumbledober 9y ago
    Interesting to hear someone having problems welding steel instead of aluminum. Generally Al welding is much more difficult than steel.
    - olivermarks 9y ago
      Robots seem to be better at welding aluminum than unskilled humans, they appear to be ok with spool guns and adhering to consistent tolerances and settings. Until now Tesla has mostly been attaching composites to aluminum monocoques using relatively low production run specialist car building techniques. Banging out masses of low cost cookie cutter cars is a different dynamic involving lots of spot welds...
  - mohaine 9y ago
    That article's only evidence is some sparks flying that look exactly the same as the welding in other mfgs videos. The link to the cheap spot welder is a bit over the top as well.
  - dx034 9y ago
    > Poor welds can increase the damage to a vehicle in an accident, and can lead to rattling and squeaking as the car ages, Tracy said. That sounds interesting. Subpar welding will be impossible for buyers to spot and could take years before becoming obvious.
MBCook 9y ago
But this isn’t their first car. They’re not even pushing the envelope that much (Apple was) compared to the Roadster, S and X. It seems like they should be much better at this by now. Maybe not GM or Toyota, but better.
ebikelaw 9y ago
Apple sold iPhones at the rate of three per second when the first iPhone launched on time, on June 29th 2007, having been announced to launch on that date in January of 2007. I guess it's possible that they "struggled" to do so, but Apple launched the iPhone on time and in the quantities promised.

Apple struggled with the production of their first iphone too. The good thing is that you have tons of orders and market hype. market hype. market hype -> This thing is invaluable.

melling 9y ago

This isn’t Tesla’s first car. They shipped 100,000 cars last year. Must be a problem making the battery?

olivermarks 9y ago
I've heard they continue to have had big steel welding problems. Earlier cars were composites and aluminum but ramping up production of steel cars is a very different manufacturing technique. http://autoweek.com/article/car-news/tesla-might-be-missing-spot-weld http://autoweek.com/article/car-news/tesla-might-be-missing-... The rumors have been they are still using 1980's manual production line techniques https://www.harborfreight.com/welding/spot-welders/240-volt-spot-welder-61206.html https://www.harborfreight.com/welding/spot-welders/240-volt-... Th
- scrumbledober 9y ago
  Interesting to hear someone having problems welding steel instead of aluminum. Generally Al welding is much more difficult than steel.
  - olivermarks 9y ago
    Robots seem to be better at welding aluminum than unskilled humans, they appear to be ok with spool guns and adhering to consistent tolerances and settings. Until now Tesla has mostly been attaching composites to aluminum monocoques using relatively low production run specialist car building techniques. Banging out masses of low cost cookie cutter cars is a different dynamic involving lots of spot welds...
- mohaine 9y ago
  That article's only evidence is some sparks flying that look exactly the same as the welding in other mfgs videos. The link to the cheap spot welder is a bit over the top as well.
- dx034 9y ago
  > Poor welds can increase the damage to a vehicle in an accident, and can lead to rattling and squeaking as the car ages, Tracy said. That sounds interesting. Subpar welding will be impossible for buyers to spot and could take years before becoming obvious.

MBCook 9y ago

But this isn’t their first car. They’re not even pushing the envelope that much (Apple was) compared to the Roadster, S and X. It seems like they should be much better at this by now. Maybe not GM or Toyota, but better.

ebikelaw 9y ago

Apple sold iPhones at the rate of three per second when the first iPhone launched on time, on June 29th 2007, having been announced to launch on that date in January of 2007. I guess it's possible that they "struggled" to do so, but Apple launched the iPhone on time and in the quantities promised.