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Nice news, but when will they deliver? Maybe its time they start to answer that question first.

by GrumpyNl 9y ago

_Codemonkeyism 9y ago
Easier to annouce a Pickup than deliver a Model 3.
- jhall1468 9y ago
  Well yes, just as it's easier to make snarky comments than provide actual content, as evidenced by your post.
  - _Codemonkeyism 9y ago
    My fail, I forgot it's sacrilege to critizize Musk here. Model 3 production is way behind and currently does not look like it progressing. Musk is blaming Panasonic on the problems with batteries, while reports from the Model 3 factory tell about a lot of manual work. So yes it is easier to announce a Pickup some years ahead than fix Model 3 production.
mikeash 9y ago
This was a customer car, so it would seem that the answer is “they already have.”
- makomk 9y ago
  As far as anyone can tell, this is the first non-employee who's received his Model 3 and he took delivery on the 26th of December, two days before starting this drive - so presumably he's not exactly your average customer.
  - mikeash 9y ago
    And?
agumonkey 9y ago
based on some random youtube video, production went from zero to 150 to 350 over the last months. grain of salt etc etc
- sveme 9y ago
  Per day? So around one to three years for the delivery of 150 000 cars.
  - mabbo 9y ago
    Only if they stay at that rate. I think what he means is that they were able to double production in a relatively short period of time. Perhaps they can do that again a few more times. Side note: if you know anyone with a Tesla and are in the Bay Area, owners can take three friends with them on a tour of the factory. It's fantastic and I highly recommend it.
  - swarnie_ 9y ago
    Production will continue to scale. Estimates are given in ElonTime(TM) so need adjusting for the reality everyone else lives in.
  - maxerickson 9y ago
    Per month. But given how much faster they are with the other models and how bad their estimates have been for the Model 3, it just means we don't know how many vehicles they will average per day this year.
    - semi-extrinsic 9y ago
      It's worth noting, though, that for the Model S and X the assembly lines were not built by Tesla. The Model 3 assembly line is the first one Tesla's ever made themselves. The "old" Tesla factory was bought from a joint GM-Toyota venture that achieved average production of 25 000 vehicles per month running those lines for 25 years. Then that venture failed, Tesla bought the factory and repurposed the existing infrastructure. It's like if SpaceX started by buying an old working NASA rocket design and repurposed it for the Falcon, but for Falcon Heavy they started entirely from scratch developing rocket fuels, engines, materials etc. without ever having done so before.
cdjk 9y ago
I’ve seen three in the last few days and I haven’t spent much time driving.
Matt3o12_ 9y ago
They are getting started. Mass producing a vehicle is not an easy task and takes a lot of expierence, equipment. Every manufacturer starts slowly but we don’t notice it as drastically because there is usually less demand. If Model A is not available, most customers choose Model B or Model A-like from company B. Or chances are they have not even heard of that Model and just don’t look for it. For Tesla it is different. Tesla needs to announce them far in advance so they get funding. They can’t just create another Model, start mass production and delivery without anyone noticing and caring to post it online. So they capitalize on the hype and sell as man as they can. Furthermore there is no Tesla Model 3 from any other company. There is not even a Model S or X from any company. There are some products that are close but lack some desirable features such as being purely electric or being “techy”. For the Model X there is the Volvo XC 90 plug-in with 19 miles of range which wouldn’t get many people to work in the winter. The screen is a bit Tesla like but from what I have heard is that Tesla’s screen (and infotainment system) is much better. For the Model 3, the only true competitors are the i3 and Chevy Bolt. The i3 is selling ok but does not have a lot of range and is a small vehicle. For its price, it is not really a good deal unless you are looking for any ev. The Bolt is a much better choice but many do not like its style. It is also not really available because it is often seen as a complicance vehicle. I have heard that people were laughed out of the store when they wanted to buy it. It is also not available in Norway where it is anticipated the most. My guess is that the 2018 Nissan Leaf will be the best choice this year but compared to a Model 3 still a compromise because it lacks (amongst all non Tesla) a proper quick charging network. So the real question should be: when will the other manufactures start delivering?
- Kayou 9y ago
  >For the Model 3, the only true competitors are the i3 and Chevy Bolt More like the Chevy Bolt / Opel Ampera e, the i3 has very limited range while the Chevy/Opel offers between 300 and 500km of range thanks to its much bigger 60kWh battery. The BMW i3 only has a 33kWh battery in the newer version, previous one was even less than that... The Leaf 2018 goes in the right direction, but 40kWh is still no enough to do 3h+ road trips. Also, you make a very good point by saying that the Chevy Bolt/Opel Ampera E is a much better choice (ignoring the design). Same pricing as the Model 3 but the range seems much better. Given the experience of Chevy, I think that they can reduce the price and mass produce the Bolt much faster than Tesla can do with the model 3.
GrumpyNl 9y ago
Nice downvote, the fact is they promise a lot but no cars are delivered. Its all backorders. Mine will come in 18 months ( w hope )
- robotresearcher 9y ago
  The article is about a customer in his already-delivered car.

Nice news, but when will they deliver? Maybe its time they start to answer that question first.

_Codemonkeyism 9y ago

Easier to annouce a Pickup than deliver a Model 3.

jhall1468 9y ago
Well yes, just as it's easier to make snarky comments than provide actual content, as evidenced by your post.
- _Codemonkeyism 9y ago
  My fail, I forgot it's sacrilege to critizize Musk here. Model 3 production is way behind and currently does not look like it progressing. Musk is blaming Panasonic on the problems with batteries, while reports from the Model 3 factory tell about a lot of manual work. So yes it is easier to announce a Pickup some years ahead than fix Model 3 production.

mikeash 9y ago

This was a customer car, so it would seem that the answer is “they already have.”

makomk 9y ago
As far as anyone can tell, this is the first non-employee who's received his Model 3 and he took delivery on the 26th of December, two days before starting this drive - so presumably he's not exactly your average customer.
- mikeash 9y ago
  And?

agumonkey 9y ago

based on some random youtube video, production went from zero to 150 to 350 over the last months. grain of salt etc etc

sveme 9y ago
Per day? So around one to three years for the delivery of 150 000 cars.
- mabbo 9y ago
  Only if they stay at that rate. I think what he means is that they were able to double production in a relatively short period of time. Perhaps they can do that again a few more times. Side note: if you know anyone with a Tesla and are in the Bay Area, owners can take three friends with them on a tour of the factory. It's fantastic and I highly recommend it.
- swarnie_ 9y ago
  Production will continue to scale. Estimates are given in ElonTime(TM) so need adjusting for the reality everyone else lives in.
- maxerickson 9y ago
  Per month. But given how much faster they are with the other models and how bad their estimates have been for the Model 3, it just means we don't know how many vehicles they will average per day this year.
  - semi-extrinsic 9y ago
    It's worth noting, though, that for the Model S and X the assembly lines were not built by Tesla. The Model 3 assembly line is the first one Tesla's ever made themselves. The "old" Tesla factory was bought from a joint GM-Toyota venture that achieved average production of 25 000 vehicles per month running those lines for 25 years. Then that venture failed, Tesla bought the factory and repurposed the existing infrastructure. It's like if SpaceX started by buying an old working NASA rocket design and repurposed it for the Falcon, but for Falcon Heavy they started entirely from scratch developing rocket fuels, engines, materials etc. without ever having done so before.

cdjk 9y ago

I’ve seen three in the last few days and I haven’t spent much time driving.

Matt3o12_ 9y ago

They are getting started. Mass producing a vehicle is not an easy task and takes a lot of expierence, equipment. Every manufacturer starts slowly but we don’t notice it as drastically because there is usually less demand. If Model A is not available, most customers choose Model B or Model A-like from company B. Or chances are they have not even heard of that Model and just don’t look for it. For Tesla it is different. Tesla needs to announce them far in advance so they get funding. They can’t just create another Model, start mass production and delivery without anyone noticing and caring to post it online. So they capitalize on the hype and sell as man as they can. Furthermore there is no Tesla Model 3 from any other company. There is not even a Model S or X from any company. There are some products that are close but lack some desirable features such as being purely electric or being “techy”. For the Model X there is the Volvo XC 90 plug-in with 19 miles of range which wouldn’t get many people to work in the winter. The screen is a bit Tesla like but from what I have heard is that Tesla’s screen (and infotainment system) is much better. For the Model 3, the only true competitors are the i3 and Chevy Bolt. The i3 is selling ok but does not have a lot of range and is a small vehicle. For its price, it is not really a good deal unless you are looking for any ev. The Bolt is a much better choice but many do not like its style. It is also not really available because it is often seen as a complicance vehicle. I have heard that people were laughed out of the store when they wanted to buy it. It is also not available in Norway where it is anticipated the most. My guess is that the 2018 Nissan Leaf will be the best choice this year but compared to a Model 3 still a compromise because it lacks (amongst all non Tesla) a proper quick charging network. So the real question should be: when will the other manufactures start delivering?

Kayou 9y ago
>For the Model 3, the only true competitors are the i3 and Chevy Bolt More like the Chevy Bolt / Opel Ampera e, the i3 has very limited range while the Chevy/Opel offers between 300 and 500km of range thanks to its much bigger 60kWh battery. The BMW i3 only has a 33kWh battery in the newer version, previous one was even less than that... The Leaf 2018 goes in the right direction, but 40kWh is still no enough to do 3h+ road trips. Also, you make a very good point by saying that the Chevy Bolt/Opel Ampera E is a much better choice (ignoring the design). Same pricing as the Model 3 but the range seems much better. Given the experience of Chevy, I think that they can reduce the price and mass produce the Bolt much faster than Tesla can do with the model 3.

GrumpyNl 9y ago

Nice downvote, the fact is they promise a lot but no cars are delivered. Its all backorders. Mine will come in 18 months ( w hope )

robotresearcher 9y ago
The article is about a customer in his already-delivered car.