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Sounds like Elon.

adventured 9y ago
No, not really. Tesla + SpaceX have ~25,000 employees. While Musk is without a doubt a hard charger, always pushing his employees, it's a pretty big leap to suggest those 25,000 employees are all working 80 hours per week, sleeping under their desks, and can't walk their dogs in the afternoon. Here's the actual reality: 99% of those 25,000 employees are on normal work schedules, with normal work expectations. There are no organizations of that scale in the US where the employees all work crazy hours and sleep under their desks; quite the opposite, organizations that large always drift toward the middle by necessity (they can't attract tens of thousands of workers in a highly competitive labor market otherwise).
- dbcurtis 9y ago
  Do you actually know any Tesla employees personally? Because I know one ex-Tesla and two current Tesla employees. Tesla sounds like a burn-out factory once you have a deep conversation about the reality of working there.
  - bornonline1 9y ago
    Factories in general aren't known as a great workplaces. A great factory is barely 'ok place to work there'. Everyone knows that they are stuck in their salary bracket, you don't have the energy to educate yourself for a better job, competition between promotions is high and even if you become a line manager , you still have all the problems. I worked in a factory. It's almost impossible to build a large factory with great work environment.
- gaius 9y ago
  There are no organizations of that scale in the US where the employees all work crazy hours and sleep under their desk The US Navy expects officers at sea to only sleep about 5 hours a day. This is implicated in at least 3 incidents of warship collisions.
- neotriple 9y ago
  I have no clue where you're getting your information from. But as an ex SpaceX'er with friends still working there and friends at Tesla, they absolutely work at least 70-80 hours a week. This is not an 'anomaly', but the norm. In addition, the expectations are incredibly high.
jeandejean 9y ago
Well at least Elon's got a vision and push innovation. How motivating is it to copy a business that is already ubiquitous and very efficient?
- balladeer 9y ago
  I think, in both the cases, the prime motivation would be money, if at all. Elon "pushing" innovation means zero for most sane employees unless paid handsomely and compensated for the loss of "life" (depends on what a person calls life, because I have colleagues who are happiest at the work place and make an effort to stay extra hours; w/o overtime). So speaking generally, both Elon and this Saudi billionaire are similarly bad employers if they advocate and push for for such unhealthy work-life balance.

Sounds like Elon.

No, not really. Tesla + SpaceX have ~25,000 employees. While Musk is without a doubt a hard charger, always pushing his employees, it's a pretty big leap to suggest those 25,000 employees are all working 80 hours per week, sleeping under their desks, and can't walk their dogs in the afternoon. Here's the actual reality: 99% of those 25,000 employees are on normal work schedules, with normal work expectations. There are no organizations of that scale in the US where the employees all work crazy hours and sleep under their desks; quite the opposite, organizations that large always drift toward the middle by necessity (they can't attract tens of thousands of workers in a highly competitive labor market otherwise).

dbcurtis 9y ago
Do you actually know any Tesla employees personally? Because I know one ex-Tesla and two current Tesla employees. Tesla sounds like a burn-out factory once you have a deep conversation about the reality of working there.
- bornonline1 9y ago
  Factories in general aren't known as a great workplaces. A great factory is barely 'ok place to work there'. Everyone knows that they are stuck in their salary bracket, you don't have the energy to educate yourself for a better job, competition between promotions is high and even if you become a line manager , you still have all the problems. I worked in a factory. It's almost impossible to build a large factory with great work environment.
gaius 9y ago
There are no organizations of that scale in the US where the employees all work crazy hours and sleep under their desk The US Navy expects officers at sea to only sleep about 5 hours a day. This is implicated in at least 3 incidents of warship collisions.
neotriple 9y ago
I have no clue where you're getting your information from. But as an ex SpaceX'er with friends still working there and friends at Tesla, they absolutely work at least 70-80 hours a week. This is not an 'anomaly', but the norm. In addition, the expectations are incredibly high.

jeandejean 9y ago

Well at least Elon's got a vision and push innovation. How motivating is it to copy a business that is already ubiquitous and very efficient?

balladeer 9y ago
I think, in both the cases, the prime motivation would be money, if at all. Elon "pushing" innovation means zero for most sane employees unless paid handsomely and compensated for the loss of "life" (depends on what a person calls life, because I have colleagues who are happiest at the work place and make an effort to stay extra hours; w/o overtime). So speaking generally, both Elon and this Saudi billionaire are similarly bad employers if they advocate and push for for such unhealthy work-life balance.