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It's more than reasonable to expect a manufacturer to not stress their (recently released) hardware to the point of it being damaged without significant throttl

It's more than reasonable to expect a manufacturer to not stress their (recently released) hardware to the point of it being damaged without significant throttling or flat out shutting it down. But if it is that reasonable than surely there is a long list of electronic devices that do such a thing...

MBCook 9y ago
I agree, I simply don’t believe that the iPhone is not designed to be able to run at full speed a reasonable fraction of the time. The implication that I keep getting from people seems to be that Apple is running their phones at 140% and when the battery can’t keep up they then slow it down to make up for the CPU being underprovisioned on battery. I think it’s far more likely that Apple is running the phone at 100% of what it was designed for. When the battery ages they were running into problems with the phones having to shut themselves down (perhaps the newer chips were more sensitive to power fluctuations?) so they’ve started throttling to under 100%. In a desktop analogy: I don’t think this is the equivalent of some company selling overclocked CPUs and lying about how fast they were. I think this is closer to a case of the computers just ended a clogged with lots of dust and had to throttle to prevent serious damage after a few years. Obviously they should’ve told the user but I don’t think they set out from a malicious standpoint.
- dannyw 9y ago
  In that case, why don't Android devices face sudden shutdowns as frequent as iOS devices (yes, you can point to isolated cases, but it is nowhere as prevalent as Apple devices pre-throttling)? Note that this problem only occurred on devices where Apple fully designed the chips (iPhone 6 and later). "Off the shelf" chips, and those used for Android, simply have a lot more of a voltage window.
  - theshrike79 9y ago
    Because no one cares or names it a "-gate" when one Android phone, consisting of <10% of the whole Android phone market has the same issues.

MBCook 9y ago

I agree, I simply don’t believe that the iPhone is not designed to be able to run at full speed a reasonable fraction of the time. The implication that I keep getting from people seems to be that Apple is running their phones at 140% and when the battery can’t keep up they then slow it down to make up for the CPU being underprovisioned on battery. I think it’s far more likely that Apple is running the phone at 100% of what it was designed for. When the battery ages they were running into problems with the phones having to shut themselves down (perhaps the newer chips were more sensitive to power fluctuations?) so they’ve started throttling to under 100%. In a desktop analogy: I don’t think this is the equivalent of some company selling overclocked CPUs and lying about how fast they were. I think this is closer to a case of the computers just ended a clogged with lots of dust and had to throttle to prevent serious damage after a few years. Obviously they should’ve told the user but I don’t think they set out from a malicious standpoint.

dannyw 9y ago
In that case, why don't Android devices face sudden shutdowns as frequent as iOS devices (yes, you can point to isolated cases, but it is nowhere as prevalent as Apple devices pre-throttling)? Note that this problem only occurred on devices where Apple fully designed the chips (iPhone 6 and later). "Off the shelf" chips, and those used for Android, simply have a lot more of a voltage window.
- theshrike79 9y ago
  Because no one cares or names it a "-gate" when one Android phone, consisting of <10% of the whole Android phone market has the same issues.