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It's AFAYK because that's what you are being told currently. Who do you expect to show you the evidence that a 2-week water fast will cure your Crohn's? The co

by aviv 9y ago

It's AFAYK because that's what you are being told currently. Who do you expect to show you the evidence that a 2-week water fast will cure your Crohn's? The company that makes Remicade which brings them up to $200K a year per patient? A university that gets funded by the government that is lobbied heavily by the pharma companies? Come on. Think about it. I already shared it - now it's up to you to pick it up from here and do your own research if you are interested. I've seen many who have stopped and reversed diseases including Crohn's using water fasting followed by a diet of mostly fruits and veggies.

fcarraldo 9y ago
I’ve fasted for more than two weeks while suffering from a blockage large enough to prevent eating solid food. I still have Crohn’s. It’s possible and certainly important to manage inflammatory symptoms with diet, but unfortunately curing the disease through diet is just impossible. I’m glad it’s worked out for your friends. I just hope you aren’t preventing those with serious disease who need proper medical treatment from following through.
- aviv 9y ago
  I don't, funny thing is I see it exactly the opposite, the traditional medical treatment and attitude towards alternative options is preventing those with serious disease from following through. 2 weeks is the minimum I've seen. Some need up to 30 and in rare, advanced cases even 40 days of fasting.
  - DoreenMichele 9y ago
    You come across very badly. Just based on how you engage, I was ready to shoot you down and I have pursued dietary and lifestyle changes for many years to manage my incurable condition. I also have recently concluded that fasting is beneficial for my condition, which flies in the face of everything I ever understood to be true. A few thoughts: 1) Try to not overgeneralise. Even if you really know of people who were cured, that doesn't mean it is guaranteed to work every time for every case. 2) Try to develop a hypothesis as to why and how it works rather than merely asserting that it does. 3) Drop the conspiracy theory language and stance. It only hurts your case here. I hope you really do know something useful. It might even benefit me if you do. But your presentation really needs work if you are going to get anywhere. Best.
    - aviv 9y ago
      Thanks for your feedback. As I said elsewhere in this thread, my presentation does appear a bit harsh when done in a comment section such as this one vs. how I am in real life. I don't know if it makes sense to change it. It may seem counter intuitive, however it's been my experience that the harsh tone and somewhat trolling-like language IS what sparks some people to PM me and make initial contact, or at least open a new tab and start googling. I used to not be like this online, and I definitely see better response from my current style. (better in the sense that I think it results in more people taking it upon themselves to research this further). Yes, it has its drawbacks and my responses are usually at the bottom of any health-related thread on HN, but even this thread already got a few people to find my email (it's not hard) and send a quick note. The downvotes here and general negativity towards fasting does not paint the real picture. There are many silent voices out there who will not engage here fearing backlash from other users or even employers or potential customers. I'm always happy to and offer to jump on the phone with anyone who wants to talk and hear from a live anecdote or just be pointed in the right direction research-wise.
      - DoreenMichele 9y ago
        Getting rate limited or banned may not serve your goal too well. And one would do well to set their ego aside and try to first do no harm. Getting converts to your fasting religion may feel like a rush, but you may wind up harming someone. It does not sound to me like you really want to look at the possibility that your cure may not be all that and a bag of chips, which just sets off alarm bells for me. I am a potential ally. I have done similar things. You choose to not engage those facts while justifying your admittedly trollish behavior. I don't think this speaks well of your motives. If you want to make the world a better place, the best place to start is with the man in the mirror.
        aviv 9y ago
        It's not about getting converts. That's the first problem here - that getting someone interested in a water fast as remedy to a disease is considered "cultish", some crazy conspiracy or religion. Seriously, have the pharmaceutical companies infected our minds this badly? That radiation seems normal and applauded as a great suggestion, but a water fast, simply the act of just resting and not eating.. is.. dangerous or some wild crazy tinfoil hat idea?
nradov 9y ago
If you want anyone to believe you then I would expect to see evidence from a large scale, double-blind clinical study published in a respectable medical journal. Find some researchers yourself and help put it together. Since there's no expense for medicine or food it ought to be fairly cheap to run. Despite your ridiculous conspiracy theory, hospitals and universities frequently conduct studies that aren't funded by pharma companies. Just pick up some medical journals and start reading to see how totally off base you are.
- aviv 9y ago
  Look into research and patient treatment results by the likes of Dr Herbert Shelton. There is quite a bit of literature to support caloric restriction and in particular water fasting as ideal treatment option for many diseases once you filter out MSM sources that tell you it's a lie (and in the same page push you ads by Pfizer.. yep, clearly unbiased!) It's not about who funds the research - there is literally no benefit to confirming that water fasting cures diseases. Nobody in the medical industrial complex would benefit from this. Not even food companies! (because you won't be eating for up to 30 days and then change your consumption habits drastically against mass produced factory food).
  - nradov 9y ago
    Are you referring to this one? Shelton, Herbert M. Fasting Can Save Your Life: How Christians Can Change World Events Through the Simple, Yet Powerful Tools of Prayer and Fasting. Natural Hygiene Press, 1964. Please.
    - aviv 9y ago
      Please what? Do you have proof that you know of someone who water fasted for extended period of time and was not cured or was harmed? Because I DO have the opposite proof. So your empty statements and insinuations is just trolling.
    - aviv 9y ago
      Seriously - why would someone like you be so opposed to water fasting? Think about it for one minute - patients go through extreme treatments like chemo, radiation, Remicade, whatever - anything to get better, right? Why is exposing your body to crazy treatments so accepted, but this isn't? Nobody is telling you to expose yourself to chemicals, eat crazy things, drink concoctions.. really. What's your issue with water fasting? Such a pure process. So why not give this a shot? Type 2 diabetes people in fact see results in a matter of few days. What do they have to lose? I'm sure you're intelligent enough to realize water fasting for extended but still short enough of timeframe is not starvation, right? If you could make an effort for 5 days for the chance of never having to suffer from Type 2 diabetes - why the heck not give the patient the information? This is sick, truly sick, and people like you are keeping it so.

by aviv 9y ago

fcarraldo 9y ago

I’ve fasted for more than two weeks while suffering from a blockage large enough to prevent eating solid food. I still have Crohn’s. It’s possible and certainly important to manage inflammatory symptoms with diet, but unfortunately curing the disease through diet is just impossible. I’m glad it’s worked out for your friends. I just hope you aren’t preventing those with serious disease who need proper medical treatment from following through.

aviv 9y ago
I don't, funny thing is I see it exactly the opposite, the traditional medical treatment and attitude towards alternative options is preventing those with serious disease from following through. 2 weeks is the minimum I've seen. Some need up to 30 and in rare, advanced cases even 40 days of fasting.
- DoreenMichele 9y ago
  You come across very badly. Just based on how you engage, I was ready to shoot you down and I have pursued dietary and lifestyle changes for many years to manage my incurable condition. I also have recently concluded that fasting is beneficial for my condition, which flies in the face of everything I ever understood to be true. A few thoughts: 1) Try to not overgeneralise. Even if you really know of people who were cured, that doesn't mean it is guaranteed to work every time for every case. 2) Try to develop a hypothesis as to why and how it works rather than merely asserting that it does. 3) Drop the conspiracy theory language and stance. It only hurts your case here. I hope you really do know something useful. It might even benefit me if you do. But your presentation really needs work if you are going to get anywhere. Best.
  - aviv 9y ago
    Thanks for your feedback. As I said elsewhere in this thread, my presentation does appear a bit harsh when done in a comment section such as this one vs. how I am in real life. I don't know if it makes sense to change it. It may seem counter intuitive, however it's been my experience that the harsh tone and somewhat trolling-like language IS what sparks some people to PM me and make initial contact, or at least open a new tab and start googling. I used to not be like this online, and I definitely see better response from my current style. (better in the sense that I think it results in more people taking it upon themselves to research this further). Yes, it has its drawbacks and my responses are usually at the bottom of any health-related thread on HN, but even this thread already got a few people to find my email (it's not hard) and send a quick note. The downvotes here and general negativity towards fasting does not paint the real picture. There are many silent voices out there who will not engage here fearing backlash from other users or even employers or potential customers. I'm always happy to and offer to jump on the phone with anyone who wants to talk and hear from a live anecdote or just be pointed in the right direction research-wise.
    - DoreenMichele 9y ago
      Getting rate limited or banned may not serve your goal too well. And one would do well to set their ego aside and try to first do no harm. Getting converts to your fasting religion may feel like a rush, but you may wind up harming someone. It does not sound to me like you really want to look at the possibility that your cure may not be all that and a bag of chips, which just sets off alarm bells for me. I am a potential ally. I have done similar things. You choose to not engage those facts while justifying your admittedly trollish behavior. I don't think this speaks well of your motives. If you want to make the world a better place, the best place to start is with the man in the mirror.
      - aviv 9y ago
        It's not about getting converts. That's the first problem here - that getting someone interested in a water fast as remedy to a disease is considered "cultish", some crazy conspiracy or religion. Seriously, have the pharmaceutical companies infected our minds this badly? That radiation seems normal and applauded as a great suggestion, but a water fast, simply the act of just resting and not eating.. is.. dangerous or some wild crazy tinfoil hat idea?

nradov 9y ago

If you want anyone to believe you then I would expect to see evidence from a large scale, double-blind clinical study published in a respectable medical journal. Find some researchers yourself and help put it together. Since there's no expense for medicine or food it ought to be fairly cheap to run. Despite your ridiculous conspiracy theory, hospitals and universities frequently conduct studies that aren't funded by pharma companies. Just pick up some medical journals and start reading to see how totally off base you are.

aviv 9y ago
Look into research and patient treatment results by the likes of Dr Herbert Shelton. There is quite a bit of literature to support caloric restriction and in particular water fasting as ideal treatment option for many diseases once you filter out MSM sources that tell you it's a lie (and in the same page push you ads by Pfizer.. yep, clearly unbiased!) It's not about who funds the research - there is literally no benefit to confirming that water fasting cures diseases. Nobody in the medical industrial complex would benefit from this. Not even food companies! (because you won't be eating for up to 30 days and then change your consumption habits drastically against mass produced factory food).
- nradov 9y ago
  Are you referring to this one? Shelton, Herbert M. Fasting Can Save Your Life: How Christians Can Change World Events Through the Simple, Yet Powerful Tools of Prayer and Fasting. Natural Hygiene Press, 1964. Please.
  - aviv 9y ago
    Please what? Do you have proof that you know of someone who water fasted for extended period of time and was not cured or was harmed? Because I DO have the opposite proof. So your empty statements and insinuations is just trolling.
  - aviv 9y ago
    Seriously - why would someone like you be so opposed to water fasting? Think about it for one minute - patients go through extreme treatments like chemo, radiation, Remicade, whatever - anything to get better, right? Why is exposing your body to crazy treatments so accepted, but this isn't? Nobody is telling you to expose yourself to chemicals, eat crazy things, drink concoctions.. really. What's your issue with water fasting? Such a pure process. So why not give this a shot? Type 2 diabetes people in fact see results in a matter of few days. What do they have to lose? I'm sure you're intelligent enough to realize water fasting for extended but still short enough of timeframe is not starvation, right? If you could make an effort for 5 days for the chance of never having to suffer from Type 2 diabetes - why the heck not give the patient the information? This is sick, truly sick, and people like you are keeping it so.