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Well as a physician, you can't really force your patient to exercise and eat better. The best you can do is prescribe a medication to treat the symptoms, tell y

Well as a physician, you can't really force your patient to exercise and eat better. The best you can do is prescribe a medication to treat the symptoms, tell your patient to exercise and eat better, and send them off. Do you have an alternative to prescribing medication for type 2 diabetes and Crohn's? Do you think doctors should simply withhold care since it's their patients' faults that they have those conditions?

joshgel 9y ago
Agree. My dad, also a physician, blames himself for being overweight. But if "everyone" is overweight, can it really be their fault? Surely "the system" has as much or more blame to share.
- aviv 9y ago
  Your dad, Big Food, Big Pharma, MSM, his parents. The blame is in that order.
aviv 9y ago
Sure, most physicians nowadays will mention to the patient that diet and exercise are beneficial, but at the same time will outright dismiss the critical role that diet specifically plays in curing the disease. Yes, the alternative is a 10 to 30 day water fast for both of those. I know several people that successfully cured both. Especially Crohn's, the amount of misinformation given by physicians is stunning and borderline criminal. $200K a year Remicade treatments GONE after 2 weeks of water fasting. Why would Big Pharma have any incentive to get this message out there? High blood pressure for example can be reversed entirely after 5 days of water fasting. Completely gone. I don't know how else to say it. I have first hand knowledge of many successful water fasts, but the medical world has brainwashed everyone to the point that I get shut down immediately in any social setting by even mentioning this. But that's okay. Not forcing anyone to do anything they don't believe in. All I can do is share my knowledge and point people in the right direction when they're ready.
- joshgel 9y ago
  Prove it. In a randomized, placebo-controlled, double-blinded trial. There are plenty of quality and health savings organizations that would fund such a trial if there were any hint of benefit. But there isn't. I'm glad to hear that pseudo-science still gets shut down in social circumstances.
  - aviv 9y ago
    It is slowly trickling in. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2016/03/12/fasting-for-three-days-can-regenerate-entire-immune-system-study/ http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2016/03/12/fasting-for-th... https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4684131/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4684131/ I personally know multiple people that did listen to me and others who told them about the healing powers of a water fast, and cured their illnesses by doing it. There's really no downside. You are not "starving" yourself. That is such an insane myth. I myself did too - got rid of a bad arthritis in the knee that I've suffered from for years - just 20 days into a fast (this was 6 years ago, no inflammation of any kind since).
    - jakevn 9y ago
      So, no studies linked, just a quote collection and an interview?
      - aviv 9y ago
        I am not aware of any study (that has been made public, remember they always have that option at the end) by a pharmaceutical company or university that was set out to test whether water fasting for 5+ days is beneficial in treating or curing disease. Several reasons: 1. They conducted one, but didn't like the results. 2. "Don't ask what you don't want to know the answer to" applies here - there is ZERO benefit in discovering that water fasting indeed reverses diseases to which these entities have vested interest in keeping their symptoms a lifelong struggle to patients. Nothing good would come out of it for them. The entire modern medical business model would collapse. Tin foil hat? Sure, label me that. All I can do is drop tidbits that may be helpful to someone now or in the future. I already know that I've helped a couple dozen people personally in the last few years, myself included. Those people would still be in a very bad shape if they waited for government or pharma company to endorse what has already been proven to be used successfully for hundreds of years as a primary healing treatment.
fcarraldo 9y ago
AFAIK, as a patient with Crohn’s, there is no evidence that any specific diet causes or cures Crohn’s disease. If you know of dietary restrictions which reduce risk of Crohn’s in the same manner as type 2 diabetes, please share it, as I know many people (both patients and physicians) that would be happy to help make lifestyle changes to cure their disease.
- opportune 9y ago
  I agree, I was merely entertaining the parent's claim that Crohn's could be solved in that way. I'm sure he thinks Crohn's can be simply solved by going gluten/dairy free or by fasting.
  - aviv 9y ago
    Did you even see my reply? I don't "think" or speculate. I've seen it. 2 of them still take me out to lunch when I'm in town because I've changed their life with a simple suggestion which they took upon themselves to research further. It's all about a person's state of mind. If you want to be a slave to the systemic misinformation that's out there - sure, go ahead. If you want to explore alternative options that take away a physician's job security, all the power to you.
- aviv 9y ago
  It's AFAYK because that's what you are being told currently. Who do you expect to show you the evidence that a 2-week water fast will cure your Crohn's? The company that makes Remicade which brings them up to $200K a year per patient? A university that gets funded by the government that is lobbied heavily by the pharma companies? Come on. Think about it. I already shared it - now it's up to you to pick it up from here and do your own research if you are interested. I've seen many who have stopped and reversed diseases including Crohn's using water fasting followed by a diet of mostly fruits and veggies.
  - fcarraldo 9y ago
    I’ve fasted for more than two weeks while suffering from a blockage large enough to prevent eating solid food. I still have Crohn’s. It’s possible and certainly important to manage inflammatory symptoms with diet, but unfortunately curing the disease through diet is just impossible. I’m glad it’s worked out for your friends. I just hope you aren’t preventing those with serious disease who need proper medical treatment from following through.

joshgel 9y ago

Agree. My dad, also a physician, blames himself for being overweight. But if "everyone" is overweight, can it really be their fault? Surely "the system" has as much or more blame to share.

aviv 9y ago
Your dad, Big Food, Big Pharma, MSM, his parents. The blame is in that order.

aviv 9y ago

Sure, most physicians nowadays will mention to the patient that diet and exercise are beneficial, but at the same time will outright dismiss the critical role that diet specifically plays in curing the disease. Yes, the alternative is a 10 to 30 day water fast for both of those. I know several people that successfully cured both. Especially Crohn's, the amount of misinformation given by physicians is stunning and borderline criminal. $200K a year Remicade treatments GONE after 2 weeks of water fasting. Why would Big Pharma have any incentive to get this message out there? High blood pressure for example can be reversed entirely after 5 days of water fasting. Completely gone. I don't know how else to say it. I have first hand knowledge of many successful water fasts, but the medical world has brainwashed everyone to the point that I get shut down immediately in any social setting by even mentioning this. But that's okay. Not forcing anyone to do anything they don't believe in. All I can do is share my knowledge and point people in the right direction when they're ready.

joshgel 9y ago
Prove it. In a randomized, placebo-controlled, double-blinded trial. There are plenty of quality and health savings organizations that would fund such a trial if there were any hint of benefit. But there isn't. I'm glad to hear that pseudo-science still gets shut down in social circumstances.
- aviv 9y ago
  It is slowly trickling in. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2016/03/12/fasting-for-three-days-can-regenerate-entire-immune-system-study/ http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2016/03/12/fasting-for-th... https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4684131/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4684131/ I personally know multiple people that did listen to me and others who told them about the healing powers of a water fast, and cured their illnesses by doing it. There's really no downside. You are not "starving" yourself. That is such an insane myth. I myself did too - got rid of a bad arthritis in the knee that I've suffered from for years - just 20 days into a fast (this was 6 years ago, no inflammation of any kind since).
  - jakevn 9y ago
    So, no studies linked, just a quote collection and an interview?
    - aviv 9y ago
      I am not aware of any study (that has been made public, remember they always have that option at the end) by a pharmaceutical company or university that was set out to test whether water fasting for 5+ days is beneficial in treating or curing disease. Several reasons: 1. They conducted one, but didn't like the results. 2. "Don't ask what you don't want to know the answer to" applies here - there is ZERO benefit in discovering that water fasting indeed reverses diseases to which these entities have vested interest in keeping their symptoms a lifelong struggle to patients. Nothing good would come out of it for them. The entire modern medical business model would collapse. Tin foil hat? Sure, label me that. All I can do is drop tidbits that may be helpful to someone now or in the future. I already know that I've helped a couple dozen people personally in the last few years, myself included. Those people would still be in a very bad shape if they waited for government or pharma company to endorse what has already been proven to be used successfully for hundreds of years as a primary healing treatment.

fcarraldo 9y ago

AFAIK, as a patient with Crohn’s, there is no evidence that any specific diet causes or cures Crohn’s disease. If you know of dietary restrictions which reduce risk of Crohn’s in the same manner as type 2 diabetes, please share it, as I know many people (both patients and physicians) that would be happy to help make lifestyle changes to cure their disease.

opportune 9y ago
I agree, I was merely entertaining the parent's claim that Crohn's could be solved in that way. I'm sure he thinks Crohn's can be simply solved by going gluten/dairy free or by fasting.
- aviv 9y ago
  Did you even see my reply? I don't "think" or speculate. I've seen it. 2 of them still take me out to lunch when I'm in town because I've changed their life with a simple suggestion which they took upon themselves to research further. It's all about a person's state of mind. If you want to be a slave to the systemic misinformation that's out there - sure, go ahead. If you want to explore alternative options that take away a physician's job security, all the power to you.
aviv 9y ago
It's AFAYK because that's what you are being told currently. Who do you expect to show you the evidence that a 2-week water fast will cure your Crohn's? The company that makes Remicade which brings them up to $200K a year per patient? A university that gets funded by the government that is lobbied heavily by the pharma companies? Come on. Think about it. I already shared it - now it's up to you to pick it up from here and do your own research if you are interested. I've seen many who have stopped and reversed diseases including Crohn's using water fasting followed by a diet of mostly fruits and veggies.
- fcarraldo 9y ago
  I’ve fasted for more than two weeks while suffering from a blockage large enough to prevent eating solid food. I still have Crohn’s. It’s possible and certainly important to manage inflammatory symptoms with diet, but unfortunately curing the disease through diet is just impossible. I’m glad it’s worked out for your friends. I just hope you aren’t preventing those with serious disease who need proper medical treatment from following through.