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Laziness ftw! -> http://threevirtues.com/ http://threevirtues.com/ Really not trying to self-promote, but genuinely interested in laziness as a quality of grea

Laziness ftw! -> http://threevirtues.com/ http://threevirtues.com/ Really not trying to self-promote, but genuinely interested in laziness as a quality of great developers. I talked about it at a javascript meetup https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuqVmhJ4tDA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuqVmhJ4tDA (Ignore the David Foster Wallace hair, the math error. Security folks don't worry that address is not valid). I bought up lzy.io and wanted to make a lazy manifesto, but I don't think we need any more manifestos, So I just collected some examples of programmers taking laziness to new levels good and bad!

purple-again 9y ago
Sounds to me like you are making excuses for being too lazy to write a manifesto...your hired.
- jefflombardjr 9y ago
  XD
amelius 9y ago
Funny that you mention laziness, because most programmers I know work harder and are under more stress than most other people.
- blueprint 9y ago
  Yeah I always roll my eyes when I see people touting laziness as a virtue. Time to open eyes.
  - vernie 9y ago
    Yeah well I always roll my eyes when I see people touting hard work for hard work's sake as a virtue. Time to open eyes.
    - jefflombardjr 9y ago
      +1 hardwork != productivity. The idea that "working hard is good" is an outdated notion from a time when manual labor was more closely tied to productivity.
      - deleted 9y ago
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    - blueprint 9y ago
      Congratulations, you've produced a straw man!
    - lj3 9y ago
      I'm a naturally lazy person and it took me a painful three decades to come to the conclusion that laziness is not a virtue. It's a handicap. I constantly hear "work smart, not hard." Why is it an either or? Why can't you do both? What if you had the work ethic of Steve Jobs and you worked as smart as you possibly could? Imagine what you could achieve.
      - nine_k 9y ago
        Strive to work smart, add the "hard" part as you see fit. Not the other way around: working hard but dumb won't leave you time to find smarter ways.
        lj3 9y ago
        I disagree. Working hard but dumb gets you in the habit of working hard. Now all you have to do is figure out smarter ways of working, which you will have time to figure out because you're a hard worker! That's a much better approach than being lazy and working smart. It's much, much harder to transition from being lazy to being industrious than it is to transition from working dumb to working smart.
        blueprint 9y ago
- jefflombardjr 9y ago
  Hence the title "Working Hard to be Lazy"... Here's a basic programming example say you're writing some front end javascript to make a call to another site's api... if you have to do it once, you probably will set the headers, and make the call right? Well if you have to do it three or more times, it pays to be lazy and write some sort of function to wrap the fetch call and automatically set the headers for you each time. This is the laziness that I'm advocating. It's not about people that don't put effort in, it's about maximizing efficiency and taking processes approach. In many cases truly lazy people will work twice as hard now to avoid work in the future.
  - hamandcheese 9y ago
    I know lazy developers. They would just copy and paste the api call three times. And if the api call really only needs to happen three times they might be lauded for taking a pragmatic approach rather than over engineering.
    - jefflombardjr 9y ago
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rule_of_three_(computer_programming) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rule_of_three_(computer_progra... Totally agree that if you are only doing something exactly three times, probably not worth it. That being said when was the last time you were absolutely sure the requirements won’t change? Only the Sith deal in absolutes.
      - swsieber 9y ago
        Has anybody else noticed that "Only Sith deal in absolutes" is an absolute? Genuinely curious if it's just so obvious that it's never talked about, or if people just don't stop to think abouy it... (I mean, it's a pretty good piece of advice... we just never talk about the irony)
        khedoros1 9y ago
        > Has anybody else noticed that "Only Sith deal in absolutes" is an absolute? Genuinely curious if it's just so obvious that it's never talked about, or if people just don't stop to think abouy it... I think you're just not usually around the people who talk about it. Here are some example image macros. http://img.memecdn.com/only-sith-deals-an-absolutes_fb_512697.jpg http://img.memecdn.com/only-sith-deals-an-absolutes_fb_51269... https://img.memecdn.com/who-amp-039-s-really-on-the-dark-side_fb_6700751.jpg https://img.memecdn.com/who-amp-039-s-really-on-the-dark-sid... https://i.pinimg.com/originals/d9/32/8c/d9328c625f6f47e8d8a99be102a56415.jpg https://i.pinimg.com/originals/d9/32/8c/d9328c625f6f47e8d8a9... https://pics.me.me/only-a-sith-deals-in-absolutes-that-itself-is-an-20291123.png https://pics.me.me/only-a-sith-deals-in-absolutes-that-itsel... https://pics.onsizzle.com/whats-wrong-obi-wan-kenobi-tells-anakin-that-only-sith-7661489.png https://pics.onsizzle.com/whats-wrong-obi-wan-kenobi-tells-a...
ryanthedev 9y ago
I love even the website is done in the most lazy way lol. Great site!
chiefalchemist 9y ago
There's a fine line between lazy and efficient. That is to accomplish the most with the leaat amount of effort.

purple-again 9y ago

Sounds to me like you are making excuses for being too lazy to write a manifesto...your hired.

jefflombardjr 9y ago
XD

amelius 9y ago

Funny that you mention laziness, because most programmers I know work harder and are under more stress than most other people.

blueprint 9y ago
Yeah I always roll my eyes when I see people touting laziness as a virtue. Time to open eyes.
- vernie 9y ago
  Yeah well I always roll my eyes when I see people touting hard work for hard work's sake as a virtue. Time to open eyes.
  - jefflombardjr 9y ago
    +1 hardwork != productivity. The idea that "working hard is good" is an outdated notion from a time when manual labor was more closely tied to productivity.
    - deleted 9y ago
      [deleted]
  - blueprint 9y ago
    Congratulations, you've produced a straw man!
  - lj3 9y ago
    I'm a naturally lazy person and it took me a painful three decades to come to the conclusion that laziness is not a virtue. It's a handicap. I constantly hear "work smart, not hard." Why is it an either or? Why can't you do both? What if you had the work ethic of Steve Jobs and you worked as smart as you possibly could? Imagine what you could achieve.
    - nine_k 9y ago
      Strive to work smart, add the "hard" part as you see fit. Not the other way around: working hard but dumb won't leave you time to find smarter ways.
      - lj3 9y ago
        I disagree. Working hard but dumb gets you in the habit of working hard. Now all you have to do is figure out smarter ways of working, which you will have time to figure out because you're a hard worker! That's a much better approach than being lazy and working smart. It's much, much harder to transition from being lazy to being industrious than it is to transition from working dumb to working smart.
        blueprint 9y ago
jefflombardjr 9y ago
Hence the title "Working Hard to be Lazy"... Here's a basic programming example say you're writing some front end javascript to make a call to another site's api... if you have to do it once, you probably will set the headers, and make the call right? Well if you have to do it three or more times, it pays to be lazy and write some sort of function to wrap the fetch call and automatically set the headers for you each time. This is the laziness that I'm advocating. It's not about people that don't put effort in, it's about maximizing efficiency and taking processes approach. In many cases truly lazy people will work twice as hard now to avoid work in the future.
- hamandcheese 9y ago
  I know lazy developers. They would just copy and paste the api call three times. And if the api call really only needs to happen three times they might be lauded for taking a pragmatic approach rather than over engineering.
  - jefflombardjr 9y ago
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rule_of_three_(computer_programming) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rule_of_three_(computer_progra... Totally agree that if you are only doing something exactly three times, probably not worth it. That being said when was the last time you were absolutely sure the requirements won’t change? Only the Sith deal in absolutes.
    - swsieber 9y ago
      Has anybody else noticed that "Only Sith deal in absolutes" is an absolute? Genuinely curious if it's just so obvious that it's never talked about, or if people just don't stop to think abouy it... (I mean, it's a pretty good piece of advice... we just never talk about the irony)
      - khedoros1 9y ago
        > Has anybody else noticed that "Only Sith deal in absolutes" is an absolute? Genuinely curious if it's just so obvious that it's never talked about, or if people just don't stop to think abouy it... I think you're just not usually around the people who talk about it. Here are some example image macros. http://img.memecdn.com/only-sith-deals-an-absolutes_fb_512697.jpg http://img.memecdn.com/only-sith-deals-an-absolutes_fb_51269... https://img.memecdn.com/who-amp-039-s-really-on-the-dark-side_fb_6700751.jpg https://img.memecdn.com/who-amp-039-s-really-on-the-dark-sid... https://i.pinimg.com/originals/d9/32/8c/d9328c625f6f47e8d8a99be102a56415.jpg https://i.pinimg.com/originals/d9/32/8c/d9328c625f6f47e8d8a9... https://pics.me.me/only-a-sith-deals-in-absolutes-that-itself-is-an-20291123.png https://pics.me.me/only-a-sith-deals-in-absolutes-that-itsel... https://pics.onsizzle.com/whats-wrong-obi-wan-kenobi-tells-anakin-that-only-sith-7661489.png https://pics.onsizzle.com/whats-wrong-obi-wan-kenobi-tells-a...

ryanthedev 9y ago

I love even the website is done in the most lazy way lol. Great site!

chiefalchemist 9y ago

There's a fine line between lazy and efficient. That is to accomplish the most with the leaat amount of effort.