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Yea I think I agree with this, most piraters are doing so because they are so used to the idea of FREE that the idea of spending any money at all on content is

by mentos 9y ago

Yea I think I agree with this, most piraters are doing so because they are so used to the idea of FREE that the idea of spending any money at all on content is a disaster to them.

FRex 9y ago
That's bullshit and hearsay. Until content is provided in convenient standard formats, DRM free (it does fuck all beyond annoying paying customers already), offline friendly, region lock free, etc. it's an apples to oranges comparison. An often offline/mobile binge watcher's only choice for watching conveniently is piracy or paying way more than the price of the content itself his in mobile data fees due to streaming enforcement. You can't even rip your own DVD or BluRAy legally due to DMCA supposedly. I wanted to get my favorite anime ever legally and this is the end result (TL;DR; - I maybe could get an Amazon Fire TV and pay 20 dollars to stream into it in SD quality while BluRay 1080p rips mp4s are floating around torrents): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15989321 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15989321 Or are you going to tell me I should get a Fire TV and watch in half the quality and only on it, or hunt and get that DVD or BluRay from a private person on an auction site, just so I lose money and not get stuff for free, despite the studio not getting any from that purchase? Not everyone is streaming the latest Game of Thrones or something. Niche stuff goes out of print, into copyright hell (NOLF game series), studios go bust (so no one who produced the content gets compensated for it, thus moral argument is gone), there are region locks (and Poland is no small or poor market for anime), arbitrary restrictions (on what languages and subs you get, on quality, on devices you can use, stream only enforcement, etc.) and then it's "theft" to want something you actually can't buy (and that would be feasible to be available with 0 impact on profits, and that's is actually available illegally and conveniently).
- s73ver_ 9y ago
  Not being available in exactly the way you want it is not an excuse for you to pirate.
  - dmitriid 9y ago
    Copyright holders sell you crap despite non-crap being readily available. Copyright holders have no intention and have made no moves to replace carp, or to make non-crap readily and legally available. Why should I buy crap from copyright holders? Netflix, Steam, and Spotify have shown that once you provide people with non-crap, people are more than happy to pay you, and piracy all but disappears.
    - s73ver_ 9y ago
      I'm not saying you should buy it if you don't like it. I am saying that you are not entitled to just take it if you don't. You go buy something else that is provided as you want.
TeMPOraL 9y ago
Popularity of both Steam and Spotify is a strong argument against that. I'd count Netflix too, except it has abysmal catalogue and often years of lag behind initial content release.
- s73ver_ 9y ago
  On the contrary, I would say that the popularity of those is a strong argument for the idea that those who pirate nowadays are not interested in paying for anything, and just feel they deserve the content.
imtringued 9y ago
Trying to convert these users is impossible and the studios should stop wasting their time on them.

by mentos 9y ago

Yea I think I agree with this, most piraters are doing so because they are so used to the idea of FREE that the idea of spending any money at all on content is a disaster to them.

FRex 9y ago

That's bullshit and hearsay. Until content is provided in convenient standard formats, DRM free (it does fuck all beyond annoying paying customers already), offline friendly, region lock free, etc. it's an apples to oranges comparison. An often offline/mobile binge watcher's only choice for watching conveniently is piracy or paying way more than the price of the content itself his in mobile data fees due to streaming enforcement. You can't even rip your own DVD or BluRAy legally due to DMCA supposedly. I wanted to get my favorite anime ever legally and this is the end result (TL;DR; - I maybe could get an Amazon Fire TV and pay 20 dollars to stream into it in SD quality while BluRay 1080p rips mp4s are floating around torrents): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15989321 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15989321 Or are you going to tell me I should get a Fire TV and watch in half the quality and only on it, or hunt and get that DVD or BluRay from a private person on an auction site, just so I lose money and not get stuff for free, despite the studio not getting any from that purchase? Not everyone is streaming the latest Game of Thrones or something. Niche stuff goes out of print, into copyright hell (NOLF game series), studios go bust (so no one who produced the content gets compensated for it, thus moral argument is gone), there are region locks (and Poland is no small or poor market for anime), arbitrary restrictions (on what languages and subs you get, on quality, on devices you can use, stream only enforcement, etc.) and then it's "theft" to want something you actually can't buy (and that would be feasible to be available with 0 impact on profits, and that's is actually available illegally and conveniently).

s73ver_ 9y ago
Not being available in exactly the way you want it is not an excuse for you to pirate.
- dmitriid 9y ago
  Copyright holders sell you crap despite non-crap being readily available. Copyright holders have no intention and have made no moves to replace carp, or to make non-crap readily and legally available. Why should I buy crap from copyright holders? Netflix, Steam, and Spotify have shown that once you provide people with non-crap, people are more than happy to pay you, and piracy all but disappears.
  - s73ver_ 9y ago
    I'm not saying you should buy it if you don't like it. I am saying that you are not entitled to just take it if you don't. You go buy something else that is provided as you want.

TeMPOraL 9y ago

Popularity of both Steam and Spotify is a strong argument against that. I'd count Netflix too, except it has abysmal catalogue and often years of lag behind initial content release.

s73ver_ 9y ago
On the contrary, I would say that the popularity of those is a strong argument for the idea that those who pirate nowadays are not interested in paying for anything, and just feel they deserve the content.

imtringued 9y ago

Trying to convert these users is impossible and the studios should stop wasting their time on them.