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The slowdown is related to battery health. For some devices, it starts happening after a year; for others it takes longer. Replacing the battery restores norma

The slowdown is related to battery health. For some devices, it starts happening after a year; for others it takes longer. Replacing the battery restores normal performance. You don‘t need to go to an authorised repair shop.

pmlnr 9y ago
If something like: "In order to maintain the battery life you are used to, we had to introduce limits on your iPhone. This is because by time batteries unfortunately lose their capacity. Your phone will be just as new if you take it to our stores and get the battery replaced" would be communicated, it would be nice. In my opinion. btw batteries usually also have a year of warranty, so there really should be a way to check it's performance.
- dclowd9901 9y ago
  But essentially infeasible. Most of us cannot spare to not have the phone for even a day. Say what you will about our dependence on the devices, but it's a practical problem.
  - QasimK 9y ago
    You can do both, show the warning and implement performance limiting. The information would be nice (if not outright essential/ethical)
smhenderson 9y ago
And how many people end up bricking their phone doing so? It’s not easy and I’m sure a lot of average users simply won’t as they’re afraid to even attempt to take it apart.
concerned_user 9y ago
Any responsible manufacturer would notify users about faulty hardware and not try to hide the problem.
- forgot-my-pw 9y ago
  It's not considered faulty, more like degraded over time. So the CPU is throttled when the battery is no longer optimal to preserve battery life? I rather have shorter battery life with same performance so it's more noticeable that I need to replace the battery.
  - andrei_says_ 9y ago
    Or have a switch. I don’t think this is about us having a better experience though. It looks like a strategy to sell new devices by making the old ones obsolete. I hope we see a class action.
  - concerned_user 9y ago
    Apple says that if they don't throttle it then phone can suddenly shut down (battery overheats, fail-safes shut the power so it doesn't explode) under certain circumstances, which is perceived as fault by end user. I would like to be informed of this "Your battery is starting to fail". Same way as SMART monitoring in disk drives tells you that it degraded too much and will break soon.
  - mrsteveman1 9y ago
    > It's not considered faulty, more like degraded over time. > I rather have shorter battery life with same performance so it's more noticeable that I need to replace the battery. I agree, but something is odd about this whole situation. I have an iPhone 6, iPhone 5, iPhone 4, a 2nd generation iPod Touch, and several Android phones. The iPhone 6 is the first one I've seen randomly turn itself off when the battery level was below 30%, all of the others would run normally even when the battery condition was poor. I could continue using them normally while the battery indicator ticked down to 1%. While my iPhone 6 no longer randomly turns itself off, it frequently doesn't respond for 15+ seconds when typing a letter on the keyboard or tapping a text field, it's essentially just as unusable as if it had turned itself off. What makes me suspicious is that I have a 2nd iPhone 6 here at the moment with a similarly aged battery in fairly poor condition. It doesn't randomly turn off, and the performance difference is immediately noticeable, it's actually usable. The only real difference I can identify is that it is still running an older version of iOS.
melling 9y ago
How do you know when it's time to replace your battery? My guess is that most of the billion iPhone users have no idea, and they really don't want to invest much time into figuring it out.
- nawtacawp 9y ago
  Can’t find the post. But this was asked on Reddit the other day and the user got a three paragraph response on how to ‘simply’ monitor battery performance. Also included was optimal charging methods — common sense right? I just want to use my phone without having to worry about if my battery needs to be replaced or not. Just tell me. Like on the Mac that my battery is degraded and should be replaced.
  - jtbayly 9y ago
    My battery is at 87% of its original capacity and the phone runs at 50% of its original CPU speed. ETA: Point being, this doesn't appear to actually be limited to batteries that have seriously degraded.
- Angostura 9y ago
  As an iPhone 6 user I downloaded a an app called CPU Dasher X and found that my CPU was being throttled to 600MHz once it fell to around 40% charge. Not great. Now looking at a battery replacement (~£40)
felipelemos 9y ago
It's really great that Apple just removed that option eons ago.
slededit 9y ago
Nobody has explained why this was suddenly needed with the iPhone 6 and above. It's not like the iPhone 5 didn't have a battery.
- grzm 9y ago
  Apple (like other manufacturers) is continually looking for ways to improve performance, whether that be cpu speed or battery life, or other metric. I don't think this has anything special to do with a particular model, only when they decided to deploy this particular feature.
  - slededit 9y ago
    It's extremely suspicious this coincided with a massive battery recall that caused unexpected shutdowns.
    - grzm 9y ago
      I'm not sure if I follow you here, particularly the use of "extremely suspicious", which makes me think that you believe something underhanded is going on. If so, would you just come out and say it? Innuendo doesn't generally promote useful discussion, and it's even harder on an online forum. Was this something you were thinking about when you wrote your initial comment? If that's not the case, please forgive me. I assumed your initial comment was a legitimate question, and answered in good faith. If they are related (and perhaps they are, I wasn't thinking about the recall when I wrote my comment), do you think it's unreasonable for engineers at Apple to try to prevent unexpected shutdowns? I would think it would be unreasonable not to, once they saw the impact it was having on user experience. And that's besides improving the battery. The amount of engineering that goes on with respect to power and performance management is incredible, and attacking these types of problems from multiple angles is expected, particularly when you're looking to eek out even more performance in something that's already been through years of optimization iterations.
      - slededit 9y ago
codazoda 9y ago
If replacing the battery restores normal performance, can connecting a charger also restore normal performance? Because iPhones don't really have user serviceable batteries, I wonder if an after market battery charging case would provide more speed with a new battery pack.
- jtbayly 9y ago
  No. Plugging it in makes no difference. The only way performance increases is if you increase the charge in the battery, in my experience.
- jmull 9y ago
  From what I've been able to tell, plugging the phone in helps in some cases but there are a lot of cases where it does not help. (That's from reading around on the internets. I only have direct knowledge of my own situation, where plugging my phone in did not help but replacing the battery did.)
mtreis86 9y ago
If only you could just pull the old battery out and put a new one in.
dynsrv 9y ago
but you need an original battery. Just replaced the battery that seems fake. And.. the clock reduced from 1127 to 600 Mhz instead of 1400 what was I'm hoping.

pmlnr 9y ago

If something like: "In order to maintain the battery life you are used to, we had to introduce limits on your iPhone. This is because by time batteries unfortunately lose their capacity. Your phone will be just as new if you take it to our stores and get the battery replaced" would be communicated, it would be nice. In my opinion. btw batteries usually also have a year of warranty, so there really should be a way to check it's performance.

dclowd9901 9y ago
But essentially infeasible. Most of us cannot spare to not have the phone for even a day. Say what you will about our dependence on the devices, but it's a practical problem.
- QasimK 9y ago
  You can do both, show the warning and implement performance limiting. The information would be nice (if not outright essential/ethical)

smhenderson 9y ago

And how many people end up bricking their phone doing so? It’s not easy and I’m sure a lot of average users simply won’t as they’re afraid to even attempt to take it apart.

concerned_user 9y ago

Any responsible manufacturer would notify users about faulty hardware and not try to hide the problem.

forgot-my-pw 9y ago
It's not considered faulty, more like degraded over time. So the CPU is throttled when the battery is no longer optimal to preserve battery life? I rather have shorter battery life with same performance so it's more noticeable that I need to replace the battery.
- andrei_says_ 9y ago
  Or have a switch. I don’t think this is about us having a better experience though. It looks like a strategy to sell new devices by making the old ones obsolete. I hope we see a class action.
- concerned_user 9y ago
  Apple says that if they don't throttle it then phone can suddenly shut down (battery overheats, fail-safes shut the power so it doesn't explode) under certain circumstances, which is perceived as fault by end user. I would like to be informed of this "Your battery is starting to fail". Same way as SMART monitoring in disk drives tells you that it degraded too much and will break soon.
- mrsteveman1 9y ago
  > It's not considered faulty, more like degraded over time. > I rather have shorter battery life with same performance so it's more noticeable that I need to replace the battery. I agree, but something is odd about this whole situation. I have an iPhone 6, iPhone 5, iPhone 4, a 2nd generation iPod Touch, and several Android phones. The iPhone 6 is the first one I've seen randomly turn itself off when the battery level was below 30%, all of the others would run normally even when the battery condition was poor. I could continue using them normally while the battery indicator ticked down to 1%. While my iPhone 6 no longer randomly turns itself off, it frequently doesn't respond for 15+ seconds when typing a letter on the keyboard or tapping a text field, it's essentially just as unusable as if it had turned itself off. What makes me suspicious is that I have a 2nd iPhone 6 here at the moment with a similarly aged battery in fairly poor condition. It doesn't randomly turn off, and the performance difference is immediately noticeable, it's actually usable. The only real difference I can identify is that it is still running an older version of iOS.

melling 9y ago

How do you know when it's time to replace your battery? My guess is that most of the billion iPhone users have no idea, and they really don't want to invest much time into figuring it out.

nawtacawp 9y ago
Can’t find the post. But this was asked on Reddit the other day and the user got a three paragraph response on how to ‘simply’ monitor battery performance. Also included was optimal charging methods — common sense right? I just want to use my phone without having to worry about if my battery needs to be replaced or not. Just tell me. Like on the Mac that my battery is degraded and should be replaced.
- jtbayly 9y ago
  My battery is at 87% of its original capacity and the phone runs at 50% of its original CPU speed. ETA: Point being, this doesn't appear to actually be limited to batteries that have seriously degraded.
Angostura 9y ago
As an iPhone 6 user I downloaded a an app called CPU Dasher X and found that my CPU was being throttled to 600MHz once it fell to around 40% charge. Not great. Now looking at a battery replacement (~£40)

felipelemos 9y ago

It's really great that Apple just removed that option eons ago.

slededit 9y ago

Nobody has explained why this was suddenly needed with the iPhone 6 and above. It's not like the iPhone 5 didn't have a battery.

grzm 9y ago
Apple (like other manufacturers) is continually looking for ways to improve performance, whether that be cpu speed or battery life, or other metric. I don't think this has anything special to do with a particular model, only when they decided to deploy this particular feature.
- slededit 9y ago
  It's extremely suspicious this coincided with a massive battery recall that caused unexpected shutdowns.
  - grzm 9y ago
    I'm not sure if I follow you here, particularly the use of "extremely suspicious", which makes me think that you believe something underhanded is going on. If so, would you just come out and say it? Innuendo doesn't generally promote useful discussion, and it's even harder on an online forum. Was this something you were thinking about when you wrote your initial comment? If that's not the case, please forgive me. I assumed your initial comment was a legitimate question, and answered in good faith. If they are related (and perhaps they are, I wasn't thinking about the recall when I wrote my comment), do you think it's unreasonable for engineers at Apple to try to prevent unexpected shutdowns? I would think it would be unreasonable not to, once they saw the impact it was having on user experience. And that's besides improving the battery. The amount of engineering that goes on with respect to power and performance management is incredible, and attacking these types of problems from multiple angles is expected, particularly when you're looking to eek out even more performance in something that's already been through years of optimization iterations.
    - slededit 9y ago

codazoda 9y ago

If replacing the battery restores normal performance, can connecting a charger also restore normal performance? Because iPhones don't really have user serviceable batteries, I wonder if an after market battery charging case would provide more speed with a new battery pack.

jtbayly 9y ago
No. Plugging it in makes no difference. The only way performance increases is if you increase the charge in the battery, in my experience.
jmull 9y ago
From what I've been able to tell, plugging the phone in helps in some cases but there are a lot of cases where it does not help. (That's from reading around on the internets. I only have direct knowledge of my own situation, where plugging my phone in did not help but replacing the battery did.)

mtreis86 9y ago

If only you could just pull the old battery out and put a new one in.

dynsrv 9y ago

but you need an original battery. Just replaced the battery that seems fake. And.. the clock reduced from 1127 to 600 Mhz instead of 1400 what was I'm hoping.