The problem with ORMs is that they're an attempt to hack relational models into languages that lack them. The thing nobody has ever done is add relations as fir

The problem with ORMs is that they're an attempt to hack relational models into languages that lack them. The thing nobody has ever done is add relations as first class citizens to a language. Instead we have only maps, arrays, and lists in our languages and we have to shoehorn richer data into that. That's why hierarchical document databases have had a resurgence. At least they match the data model if the language.