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No, that's not true. Glos Police for example on their Twitter call for people to report "non-crimes" but their burglary clean-up rate is something like 9%. It's

by gaius 9y ago

No, that's not true. Glos Police for example on their Twitter call for people to report "non-crimes" but their burglary clean-up rate is something like 9%. It's more accurate to say that UK police have given up on "traditional" crime.

tonyedgecombe 9y ago
I suspect they have given up on crimes where there is little or no evidence and hence not much chance of a conviction.
- vixen99 9y ago
  If you don't look for evidence you're unlikely to find it. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/met-police-spending-cuts-400-million-funding-london-crimes-not-investigated-burglary-assault-a8002746.html http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/met-police-spendi...
  - tonyedgecombe 9y ago
    Officer warns change could have 'horrendous' impact on victims of offences including burglary and car crime Well I would expect them to say that, turkeys don't vote for Christmas.
  - valuearb 9y ago
    Yep, if you make the tiniest possible cuts to our budget we will stop doing our jobs. As if they spent much effort on minor property crimes before.
    - walshemj 9y ago
      They have been cuting the uk police budget year on year for ages - this isn't a one off cut.
      - gaius 9y ago
        They have been cuting the uk police budget year on year for ages Police numbers are now back where they were in the early 00's. Yes there have been cuts, but only from a historic high in 2009. But if crime really is reducing, then we need fewer police anyway, and if it's not, the police should be focussing what resources they do have on serious crimes. Not "things people say on Twitter" (or "cybercrime" as they call it)
        pbhjpbhj 9y ago
        Source for numbers? Half the "police" I see are PCSOs or "Traffic Officers" (who appear to be impersonating police AFAICT) are they included in figures? In our UK city we don't have traffic wardens (who were part of the police authority I gather), instead there are private parking attendants and PCSOs do an occasional blitz. Police used to be regularly on patrol in the town centre, but there's only volunteers and private security now; maybe that's atypical.
        gaius 9y ago
        http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36857326 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36857326 The absolute numbers of police is not the issue, it's how they are allocated or how they choose to spend their time. Policing random people being mean to celebrities on Twitter seems to be a lot easier than walking the best...
PaulAJ 9y ago
Burglary clean up rates were never high because the only ways to detect a burglar are to catch them in the act, forensics, and catching them with stolen property. Once the burglar has left the property they might, if they are sufficiently careless and unlucky, have left a usable fingerprint behind. However if you wander around a house without gloves randomly opening drawers and cupboards the odds of a good print are still only about 10%. DNA might be better, but only if you spend a lot of money getting DNA profiles of everyone who has been in the house and comparing them to lots of profiles from random hairs and bits of skin. A minor domestic burglary doesn't warrant that expenditure. So that leaves possession of the stolen goods. However this is not easy to prove, and burglars can make it harder by stashing the goods somewhere for a while in a way that makes it harder to tie the burglar to the goods, or in simple cases claiming to have bought it second hand in good faith. Even when the police manage to demonstrate that the property is stolen they may not be able to tie the property to a specific burglary, or prove that the person in possession was the actual burglar, leaving the original burglary unsolved.
- fulafel 9y ago
  Burglaries are often done by crews that roam through an area and then move on. When they get caught, it's often by piecing together information reported by victims and neighbours etc. It's then a cat and mouse game of reaching them before they move on, and it requires concentrated effort from the police. Often at the end you can get them on all 3 categories.
  - jessaustin 9y ago
    Fuck that sounds difficult. Let's just menace someone until he confesses.
    - valuearb 9y ago
      Every crime can be solved via a false confession.
raverbashing 9y ago
Glos = Glasgow?
- lmz 9y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gloucestershire https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gloucestershire

by gaius 9y ago

tonyedgecombe 9y ago

I suspect they have given up on crimes where there is little or no evidence and hence not much chance of a conviction.

vixen99 9y ago
If you don't look for evidence you're unlikely to find it. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/met-police-spending-cuts-400-million-funding-london-crimes-not-investigated-burglary-assault-a8002746.html http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/met-police-spendi...
- tonyedgecombe 9y ago
  Officer warns change could have 'horrendous' impact on victims of offences including burglary and car crime Well I would expect them to say that, turkeys don't vote for Christmas.
- valuearb 9y ago
  Yep, if you make the tiniest possible cuts to our budget we will stop doing our jobs. As if they spent much effort on minor property crimes before.
  - walshemj 9y ago
    They have been cuting the uk police budget year on year for ages - this isn't a one off cut.
    - gaius 9y ago
      They have been cuting the uk police budget year on year for ages Police numbers are now back where they were in the early 00's. Yes there have been cuts, but only from a historic high in 2009. But if crime really is reducing, then we need fewer police anyway, and if it's not, the police should be focussing what resources they do have on serious crimes. Not "things people say on Twitter" (or "cybercrime" as they call it)
      - pbhjpbhj 9y ago
        Source for numbers? Half the "police" I see are PCSOs or "Traffic Officers" (who appear to be impersonating police AFAICT) are they included in figures? In our UK city we don't have traffic wardens (who were part of the police authority I gather), instead there are private parking attendants and PCSOs do an occasional blitz. Police used to be regularly on patrol in the town centre, but there's only volunteers and private security now; maybe that's atypical.
        gaius 9y ago
        http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36857326 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36857326 The absolute numbers of police is not the issue, it's how they are allocated or how they choose to spend their time. Policing random people being mean to celebrities on Twitter seems to be a lot easier than walking the best...

PaulAJ 9y ago

Burglary clean up rates were never high because the only ways to detect a burglar are to catch them in the act, forensics, and catching them with stolen property. Once the burglar has left the property they might, if they are sufficiently careless and unlucky, have left a usable fingerprint behind. However if you wander around a house without gloves randomly opening drawers and cupboards the odds of a good print are still only about 10%. DNA might be better, but only if you spend a lot of money getting DNA profiles of everyone who has been in the house and comparing them to lots of profiles from random hairs and bits of skin. A minor domestic burglary doesn't warrant that expenditure. So that leaves possession of the stolen goods. However this is not easy to prove, and burglars can make it harder by stashing the goods somewhere for a while in a way that makes it harder to tie the burglar to the goods, or in simple cases claiming to have bought it second hand in good faith. Even when the police manage to demonstrate that the property is stolen they may not be able to tie the property to a specific burglary, or prove that the person in possession was the actual burglar, leaving the original burglary unsolved.

fulafel 9y ago
Burglaries are often done by crews that roam through an area and then move on. When they get caught, it's often by piecing together information reported by victims and neighbours etc. It's then a cat and mouse game of reaching them before they move on, and it requires concentrated effort from the police. Often at the end you can get them on all 3 categories.
- jessaustin 9y ago
  Fuck that sounds difficult. Let's just menace someone until he confesses.
  - valuearb 9y ago
    Every crime can be solved via a false confession.

raverbashing 9y ago

Glos = Glasgow?

lmz 9y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gloucestershire https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gloucestershire