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I agree with most of what you say, and I'm sorry I should have been clear that I don't think your comment is without merit. In truth, I am reacting more to the

I agree with most of what you say, and I'm sorry I should have been clear that I don't think your comment is without merit. In truth, I am reacting more to the general direction I see in PL discussion on HN (which is what I should have said but was too lazy to find other examples). > To take it further, I'm pretty sure if you only absolutely only wanted features for manipulating things I feel like lisp fits this bill to some degree. Being the AST itself it is "without syntax" to some degree. I wonder if you dislike Lisps? I can't really tell you what this means with regards to our discussion I'm just curious. > And I, too, like programming language and I feel what makes a language as such cool/useful/etc is that you express a computer's action in a compact, elegant and clear fashion for one's fellow human beings. Definitely! I would never suggest that we should entirely ignore how the syntax affects our ability to read the code but, to borrow the lisp example again, I don't care about typing lots of parenthesis if I'm otherwise effective. Again, your earlier comment is not unfounded and I appreciate where you are coming from.

joe_the_user 9y ago
Thanks for the generous reply, I'll admit my professional work has been limited to C++, python, Ruby, PL/SQL, Matlab and small DSLs. I've played lisp and the-fp-languages in college. Lisp and the-fp-language both seemed to at least have clean, simple syntax rules. I started using Ruby both it was hip and because it's free form syntax was really fun. If there were languages I definitely to learn, I would be less critical about syntax and style. My original comment on Clean's syntax wasn't intended as a full judgment on the language but simply a reaction, a reaction I shared because it seems like subjective impressions of syntax matter for the reasons I mention above.

joe_the_user 9y ago

Thanks for the generous reply, I'll admit my professional work has been limited to C++, python, Ruby, PL/SQL, Matlab and small DSLs. I've played lisp and the-fp-languages in college. Lisp and the-fp-language both seemed to at least have clean, simple syntax rules. I started using Ruby both it was hip and because it's free form syntax was really fun. If there were languages I definitely to learn, I would be less critical about syntax and style. My original comment on Clean's syntax wasn't intended as a full judgment on the language but simply a reaction, a reaction I shared because it seems like subjective impressions of syntax matter for the reasons I mention above.